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MG MG Y Type - A serious concern to Y-Typers Worldwide
| I have heard a rumor that Paul Barrow is leaving the MG Car Club – I hope he is taking the Y-Type website with him and will continue to run it. The Y-Type Website is an outstanding point of contact and resource repository that has been created and run by Paul for decades. He has my personal vote of thanks and support. It is sad to hear when politics in clubs, undoes many many years of dedication in bringing all of us together as Y-Type Owners, whether we are members of the MG Car Club or not. Lets discuss this - Do you want the Website to be independent, or driven by one club ?. |
| A Slattery |
| There must be something to this rumor. A couple of days ago I heard from across the pond that Paul Barrow has left the MG Car Club. If this is truth, the continuation of this website as a strictly non-club solely Y Type website is in serious jeopardy. What will happen to this fabulous website Paul Barrow has supported for Y Type community? Club politics or not, the MGCC should acknowledge that the great success of this website is solely due to Paul’s dedication and his willingness to share his Y collection/knowledge with the world’s community of Y Type enthusiasts. Thank you Paul Barrow for supporting this forum where we all share and learn. Here is hoping this thread wakes up ‘The Readers’ in the U.K. |
| R Lloyd |
| I can only echo the comments above - it's been a pleasure dealing with Paul over the years. Hope he stays with the site! |
| D MULLEN |
| I want to add my thanks for Paul's contribution to the Y site His enthusiasm for the Y Type has produced a tremendous technical base and the BBS has created a worldwide group with similar interests. Stay with it Paul , Thanks Ed Winters |
| E Winters |
| Ditto to all the comments regarding Paul's enthusiasm concerning all things (even remotely) concerning the MG Y. I used his comments on Y5888 to convince my wife to buy the car. As to the question of this Y-registers' website and this forum/BBS. The BBS is not part of the Y-website; it is only used as a practical extension. No need to build/maintain something that works good elsewhere. So the BBS is out of this discussion? I wouldn't mind if Paul would continue the Y-site independently, as it is driven by him and not really by the/a club? The question is, would Paul like to continue to do all that work and for how long? For the register and indeed for us as a group of owners it would be healthier if this site has a broader base than Paul alone. Wasn't something like that discussed when Paul went over the pond? I do hate politics when it comes to my car-hobby. In my view I would like Paul to continue maintaining the Y-site as a place to store our collective knowledge, pictures and database. There is no real need to do that under the flag of the Y-register, but it does have a nice ring to it. Just some views of someone who visits the site daily.... BTW: is Paul leaving the MGCC or is he leaving the Y-register (or both)? |
| Willem vd Veer |
| Paul, thank you for all you have done for us Y owners over the years. You have been most helpful to me, and I do appreciate it. Larry |
| Larry Brown |
| The rumours are true I have to say about Paul and the MGCC. No doubt Paul will elaborate in due course. Paul's efforts [as this thread shows] are most appreciated particularly when you realise Paul has spent a lot of his own money buying stuff to get it available as downloads (eg old copies of magazines such as 'The Autocar' etc). Not just that, but the time and effort spent on maintaining this site too! I don't see Paul dissapearing from all things Y type if he can help it so lets cross our fingers and watch this space! |
| D MULLEN |
| If you need a new site and need assistance, feel free to contact me. I'm doing the same thing for another car group at the moment. |
| Steve Simmons |
| Thank you everyone for the nice things you have said. I can confirm that I am leaving the MG Car Club and therefore the MG Car Club Y Type Reister Committee on 1 February 2010. At this stage I cannot comment on the future of the website, but I do hope to continue to provide the service to you and thank you for having made this website the all inclusive place that it is. Let us hope that we can go on to build a place where all Y owners can come, free of membership fees and any single club domination, so that we can just enjoy each other's cars. I look forward to being able to provide that in one way or another in the future and hope to bring you news in due course on this. Meanwhile, peace on earth, goodwill to all and have a very happY holiday. Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| Although I've been a bit lazy lately and just lurking here I would hate to see this great site vanishing in the near future. Paul - you have done a great job here and I hope you/we will be able to keep this alive, even it that means more support (in which way ever) from the members. Greetings from Germany Manfred G. Schulz |
| M. G. Schulz |
| I do see some support for Paul to continue, but considering the number of us he has helped through this website over the years, I am disappointed there are not dozens more enthusiasts willing to support him at this time. Thanks to those who have spoken out so far. Come on folks, show a bit of enthusiasm, this man has worked tirelessly for years to help us all, regardless of club affiliation. |
| A L SLATTERY |
| This website is good resource for all things Y and I hope the site continues to be maintained. Paul puts a lot of time into running the site and hats off to his dedication, Paul has done without doubt an excellent job so far! One thing to bear in mind for those deluded few posts so far, the site is a mark of many enthusiasts contributions from across the globe, reference to it being a few in the UK needing to "wake up" is a little wide of the mark. I hope this site has scope to expand and improve to the benefit of all 1.Continued supply of Y type parts that are obsolete else where. 2.Continued links to the MGCC and inclusion of Octagon Car Club and their parts list. 3.Continued spirit that the site is kept free for use to the end user and is run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts on not for profit basis. 4.Possibility to have added gallery of owners photos to the site ie flickr type addition so that owners can show off their cars rather than the one photo. Finally count me in as support towards Paul continuing the web site which is Im sure acknowledged by all including the MGCC as their best site! |
| R E Knight |
| Paul, Thanks for all the advice over the years, you always respond to all our queries and requests, we all really appreciate the excellent job you have done. You have my full support to continue with the website. Good Luck Mel Fry Melbourne Australia |
| M.H. Fry |
| This is the gist of an email that I sent privately to Paul Barrow during our correspondence on Y Type boot liner panels. Dimensioned drawings for these have now been posted in the 'Parts Drawings'. In view of the earlier comment about the limited response on this thread, I though it appropriate to make my comments available to a wider audience. I am sure that Paul will not mind. The BBS postings about Paul leaving the MGCC appeared shortly after I had joined, making me wonder if I had wasted the membership fee. I joined as I felt an obligation to the club as a regular user of the Y Register website and the recipient of considerable help from officers and members over the last year, not least Paul himself. From my membership of the MGCC in the distant past, I did have some reservations as the club seems biased towards later cars. Even in 1970, when I owned my first YB, now sadly deceased, I fear, I felt a bit of an outsider with my YB (UMG 780 pictured in 1970). I do not know anything of the current politics within the club that caused Paul to resign. I joined the MG Octagon CC earlier in the year. It seemed more appropriate for owners of older MGs, but does not have the Y Register. Its website is of limited use, but it is a useful source of spares at reasonable prices. The members' discount alone probably justifies the cost of membership. I think that the Y Register website is one of the best car club sites around. I looked at many while searching for a classic car. One of the reasons that I eventually decided on a Y was the amount and quality of support material available on the site, and the friendliness and helpfulness of those that I contacted during my search. No other car club website came close. I eventually found my YB through a wanted ad on the site and I have sourced many of the parts that I needed to complete its restoration in the same way. The quality of the Y Register website is mostly due to Paul's efforts and I would like to add my thanks and appreciation. I hope that he will be able to maintain the site in the future from outside the club. Mike 
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| M Long |
| Paul, I would like to add my full support behind you continuing in some form, as you have allways been quick to give comment and support to the members questions or give suggestions. I remember last year when I need a new crank for my YA, you very quickly answered by putting me ont an ebay advert for one in Australia. Thanks again and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and all Y owners world wide. Roy |
| R CLAPHAM |
| I support you all 100% with regard to Paul's fantastic efforts maintaining the Y site. All credit for the success of this site is due to Paul and when you consider it is confined to just 3 models of one MG Type spanning a short history it is an incredible effort that he has mustered such great support. Paul be assured your friendfship and help to the Y fraternity is greatly appreciated and your input sadly missed if you do decide to move on. Cheers Richo YT3208 |
| Richard Prior |
| May I say how sorry I am to hear that Paul is resigning as Webmaster. I know just how much work is involved in this as my Wife is Webmaster for a local interest site. Not only do you have to answer a constant stream of enquiries, but to keep up with advances in computing, which never seems to stand still. And then there are those who would do damage to your site to have to deal with. I too am suprised and concerned at the small number of comments there are so far on this subject; fewer so far than on an enquiry I made about dashboard veneer, would you believe!! Come on lads, This matters. To Paul:- Thank you for the help you have given me personally & for what I have gleaned from that you have given to others. It is appreciated. It would be good to think that you might be able to possibly continue this in some other way or another. Tony K PS As Tony's wife, I too find this site really interesting. So Paul WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP THIS SITE GOING???? Hils |
| A B Knowles |
| I Have been a Y owner for 3 years and have visited this site prior to purchasing my first y, the information I have acquired both before and after purchase has been invaluable. As a daily visitor you cannot help but notice pauls knowledge and commitment and his willingness to help all, I wish him well and hope he can in some way continue with this great site. |
| R J Snell |
| I think its about time the MGCC let us know if Paul (as we all agree) can keep control of this site. After all Paul has had a lot of influence in making it what it is and 'in house squabbles' apart he is the best person to keep running it. So come on - let's keep Paul at the helm....for all our sakes. We only have until 31st January to sort this. If anyone knows the best way to influence 'the committee' please post to this thread! |
| D MULLEN |
| As a member of the MGCC in the UK, I would like to send an e-mail as David Mullen has suggested to get something decided/planned for the future of the website involving Paul. But does anyone know to whom we should direct our thoughts, to ensure the messages are recieved by the appropriate people, and not lost in the bowels of HQ. |
| A Slattery |
| Remember last year when we all agreed to participate in a Web-based poll regarding which car was the greatest in the history of the Universe? The Y came out as the winner. Why? Because we proved how well we could coordinate ourselves and influence an outcome by our sheer number. Let's do this again + add our most eloquent comments on top of that. In the next few days, let's find out who are the 3 most influent people at the top and let's, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, tell them how we feel. At least one of them should be someone who shares our position and will garantee the rest of the Administrative Committee will be informed of our opinion. |
| Gilles Bachand |
| Looking up the "Contact Us" section of the website, and it looks like we should direct our appeals to the Chairman and Secretary. I will sit down with a glass or two this evening and send them both an e-mail. We should all do the same in the next few days, if we wish to keep Paul at the helm of the website after the 31st January. |
| A Slattery |
| It has been over a month since the first posting yet the MG Car Club Y Type Register continues to insult the international Y community by posted nothing. The holidays are over MG Car Club Y Type Register Boys -- What is the future of this website? What does the MG Car Club Y Type Register have to offer the international community represented on this website? Do they care that members are upset over the future this platform? Has the MG Car Club Y Type Register made an attempt to keep Paul running this forum ? Does the MG Car Club Y Type Register realize exactly what this site means to the international Y type owning community? |
| C H Fields |
| I presume everyone has filled in the survey on the Y-website? Can anybody PLEASE tell me (us?) what Paul and the MGCC/Y-register are disagreeing about? Is it about money? Influence? Direction of the Y-website? If you don't want to answer this on the internet, please send me an email. I presume everyone has filled in the survey on the Y-website? |
| Willem vd Veer |
| I have completed the questionnaire too. Probably best to e mail Paul direct I would think if you need to know more.It's a shame because Paul is obviously committed to the site and the MGCC would be better with Paul doing as he does now - maintaining the site we all appreciate so much. Anyway, I hope with good will on all sides, whatever the problem is, it can be resolved. |
| D MULLEN |
| Paul contacted me off-line and explained me about his "hiatus" with the committee. The reasons have nothing to do with the things I suggested in my earlier post today. Armed with this knowledge I've looked at the survey again and realise it is not meant as a way to support Paul's position. Apparently this survey was planned months in advance. So I'd say complete the survey but only to better the Y-site and not with this thread in mind. As David says, I hope with good will on all sides, that problem can be resolved. After all we must not forget we are all members of the Y-communitee to meet like-minded people and HAVE FUN. |
| Willem vd Veer |
| I have sent the following email to the chairman and Secretary of the Y group. Unless we do something, I have little confidence that the website will continue at the high standard that Paul has set. Why don't other Y devotees make their views known to the MGCC? ""Gentlemen Although I sold my Y a few months ago for family reasons and am no longer a member, I would buy another Y if the circumstances change, and I still follow the website regularly. It seems clear from the Bulletin board that Paul Barrow is leaving the club, and I have severe doubts that the MGCC can or will maintain the site to the superb standard that Paul has run it, and this will impinge on the Y-type community worldwide. It is the best one-model site that I have seen, and quite amazing in view of the small numbers of Ys produced and remaining. If I am correct, the decent and right thing to do would be to give the URL to Paul if he is prepared to continue to run the site. Will you please make your views on this matter known, on the bulletin board perhaps, where I will post these, my views. Michael Nicholson "" best wishes to all Y owners Michael |
| j m nicholson |
| I am new to this site but I must say that its features are wonderful. You do not find people like Paul easily. it is my understanding that Paul's resignation is involved with the MGCC board or the Y commitee. What a shame that people's other concerns become more important then the mission of providing a service to MG owners. I support Paul and will follow him and his site, as he understands what it is really about, the love of the cars and the service to the owners. I would hope that those at odds with Paul, re-evaluate their position. Mike |
| mr Leckstein |
| I would like to add to the comments previously posted in support of Paul and the Y website. The information and content on the website is first rate and is obviously, and to a large extent, the result of the work and dedication of the webmaster. I enjoy visiting the website frequently to see what new and interesting things have been added. And soon our own little blue YT will be added to Y's on Parade. |
| C. R. Wellenkoetter |
| Intersting to read the comments above. Also interesting to note that this forum page is not part of the Y Type website, it is actually on Mike Plumsteads site! Paul's website is here to stay and I wish him all the best in the future and that we will all continue to use both this 'MGcars.org.uk' forum as well as the 'mgytypes.org' site. NC. |
| Neil Cairns |
| What is the MGCC waiting for ? ‘Do Nothing' is not in the best interest of the International Y Type Community. |
| C H Fields |
| It seems Neil is doing his best at the moment, while the rest of the committee remain silent. So very sad. Let's hope this final insult to Paul is not taken to heart. Hopefully Paul will start up a new website on the 1/2/2010, so stay posted for the news. |
| A L SLATTERY |
| I understand this issue is still unresolved. This is inexcusable. Why in the world (literally) is the MGCC taking so long to come up with a formal offer so that we can get on with enjoying our great cars and not have to worry about the support of this great site and everything on it? |
| R Lloyd |
| I understand that this issue is still far from concluded as no formal offer has been made to Paul yet, despite proclamations from the Chairman that have bypassed the PR channel. For instance the presence MGCC Y Register Regalia shop on www.mgytypes.org is still under threat of removal by the MGCC Y and this would be a retrograde move for Y Owners by the MGCC Y Register should that threat be carried out. |
| R E Knight |
| So far I have been reticent to comment on this thread as it would have been sub judice to do so. Progress is being made on this ... albeit slowly. Certain changes have already been made to the appearance of the site to reflect both its independence going forward and the international Y community that it represents. There remain certain issues, of which the continued access to the MG Car Club Y Type Regalia and Accessories is one, that still have to be resolved in the best interests of the international MG Y owning community. I will continue to strive to achieve the best outcome possible for Y owners and not necessarily for myself or any other person, interest, or entity. I will try to keep everyone posted, but please feel free to continue to express your feelings on this thread in the interim so that I know what you want on your website. Ys faithfully Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| In my opinion it would be foolish of the Y-Register to remove their regalia sales from the International Website. Paul's website is known to hundreds of owners around the world, while the MGCC Website has very little of interest to Y-Typers. On purely commercial grounds, this decision should be easy for the Y-Committee, if they wish to maintain the sales level they currently have. Unless the Y-Register Committee have decided their regalia/parts sales will be restricted to "members only" ?. |
| A L SLATTERY |
| As promised in my post of 12 February 2010 to keep everyone up to date with the proposals from the MG Car Club Y Type Register, I have now received an official communique from them requiring the closure and withdrawal of their store from the MG Y Type site. This has been complied with and is recorded as such in the News page at www.mgytypes.org. Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| I've come late to this thread. Has the Y Register Committee actually made a statement of its position to the members of the Register? I ask because I can't find one anywhere - here, in Safety Fast, or by other means. This seems a regrettable silence. |
| Tim Griggs |
| Tim, Check the the mgcc.co.uk register's under Y types where there is old statement |
| R E Knight |
| I feel that taking the spares and regalia off the site is a bit childish - surely something can be worked out. Maybe Paul could look after all things related to MG Y types and leave the politics to the MGCC committee - seems the best compromise to me. I never did like the politics of car clubs just the enthusiasm and comradeship is enough for me. |
| D MULLEN |
| This is copied from “Thread: MGCC Y Register Website”: ------------------------------------------------------ P W Vielvoye, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom MGCC Y Register Website The MGCC Y Register committee were hoping that two Y related websites could run side by side and complement each other. One site run by the MGCC Y Register that would include all things specific to the Register and Paul's site that would continue with the main body of things to do with Y Types that you are all familiar with. To this end we are assigning the remaining four years of the rights to the existing website URL (www.mgytypes.org) to Paul's website free of charge to ensure continuity of his service. If we had left our Regalia and Restoration sales pages on Paul’s site we would have had to increase prices to pay for this service as Paul insists on the Register paying him a commission and we did not feel this was appropriate. Setting up a new site will take some time so we are using our register portal in the MGCC site as a stop gap. This means there may be some inconvenience in making purchases, but the full sales list is available to all and existing prices are retained. The MGCC website is open to all MG owners as are our Regalia and Restoration sales. We do not even add a surcharge to non-members as some clubs do. It is unfortunate that we all have been caught up in Paul's differences with the MGCC and the resulting confusion. The MGCC Y Register Committee have endeavoured to bring about solutions and make changes as smoothly as possible and apologises for any inconveniences to Y Type owners worldwide. We understand the frustration some must feel at not knowing the full story. Peter Vielvoye MGCC Y Register Chairman ------------------------------------------------------ My comments: I would like to understand the business case / logic behind the MGCC Y Type Register decision. Therefore I request that the following information be made public: -The total net revenue of the Y regatta over the past 5 years -The average mark-up percent for the regalia, book and other items etc. -Of the past 5 years of Y Regatta, identify the total revenues that can be traced directly back to Y-Type specified activities -The MGCC Y Register’s budget for the development and for the maintenance of the new website -Total compensation to the webmaster(s) for the past 5 years -Compensation requested by the current webmaster for maintaining your pages on the new site -Estimation of the increased cost of Regalia etc. items necessary to compensate for webmaster services -What added value will be brought to the MG Y owning community by having two essentially competing websites -Any data the MGCC can provide to prove a change is necessary -Any true/implied refusal from the current webmaster to include links or other MGCC/MGCC Y Register related items/topics on the current website? I look forward to a speedy answer to my request for data. With the correct data, the international Y Type community can be shown one way or another if another website will be of value, or not to. Also, Thank you to D MULLEN for the excellent posting. |
| C H Fields |
| Dear Mr. Fields, May I object to the tone of your questions? I appreciate your concern and commitment but like this it's uncomfortably like having a visit from an accountant with a grudge. I don't think the gap will be closed by demanding data that are none of our business? I'm not a member of the British MGCC so any revenues generated by Regalia-sales should be of no interest to me. The MGCC Y-type Register decided wisely to assign the rights to the site to Paul and I would think it logical to provide a link to a MGCC Y-type Regalia website when it comes available. I don't know if Paul will agree, but Paul's compensation should come from the tremendous kick of seeing his site grow beyond expectation over the last years. Through his site he has made many friends and formed an worldwide Y-network, to which I'm proud to be part of. As I said earlier, I'm in it for the fun and I hope contributors to this thread try to keep in mind that it is not a business we're discussing here, but a hobby website run by an (über?)enthusiast and a Register for a classic car: nothing REALLY serious? |
| Willem vd Veer |
| Well said Willem, you reflect the feelings of the Committee very accurately.As has been said by many on this site we are here to share, discuss and promote the MG Y Type. We all make our contributions for free and the aggressive posturing by Mr Fields is hardly constructive. The MG Car Club Y Type Register is answerable to its members (and not Bulletin contributors -unless they too are MGCC Members) and if they wish to question what is done and how it is done then they should address them at the Annual General Meeting of the Register to be held at Abingdon on Sunday 28th March 2010 at 11.00 am. Sincerely Jerry |
| J P BIRKBECK |
| Boring boring boring....... It is now time to all move on, get over the fact that the site is no longer MGCC Y Register, or is it? MGCC Events on the events page! Hints and Tip from MGCC Memebers! Safety Fast Magazines from MGCC! What ever way you look at it, the site is still here serving members of Y Community for the current time, just like before, just like now! As the weather improves we may get some real news of interest to Y owners i.e Spring Run, Silverstone plus many more events to stimulate the Y owner. |
| R E Knight |
Who is Mr C H Fields? Is he a Y Type owner? He is not known to the MGCC Y Type Register and does not appear to have placed his car on 'Y's on Parade'. Though this does not mean that he doesn't own a Y. Does he even exist - or is this a non-de-plume? Anyway through the earlier postings he will know where to raise his concerns - if of course he is a member of the MGCC! Has all the makings a jolly good mystery! |
| J P BIRKBECK |
| Sorry Jerry - I cannot help you with your mystery. I have not contributed very much to this thread as I really just want to focus on moving on with providing a service to Y owners, however I do feel it appropriate to put some flesh on a point raised earlier so that there is no misapprehension about my motives. P W Vielvoye commented on an new thread that is clearly related to this one that: "If we had left our Regalia and Restoration sales pages on Paul’s site we would have had to increase prices to pay for this service as Paul insists on the Register paying him a commission and we did not feel this was appropriate." For the purposes of clarification, my lowest proposal was simply for a 5% commission on sales revenue (excluding UK VAT) which in a 12 month period at current sales level would have equated to less than £100 and an hourly rate to me of about £0.75 - £1.00 per hour of work in maintaining those pages. I hope this alieviates any concern that may have been caused by the comments and that people can see that I certainly wasnt in this for personal gain. Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| Willem vd Veer, Thank you very much for your comments. I apologize for my cultural faux pas. In my country, one is encouraged to openly express their options, ‘think out-of-the-box’ and get to the point. In the States, a legitimate non-profit organization is open with their books -- unless of course there are expenditures that could be considered as questionable. I interpreted the total lack of response from the MGCC as ‘very fishy’ behavior. No, I am not an accountant, but I do strive to be careful reader. J P BIRKBECK, Thank you for your comments. About “the aggressive posturing by Mr Fields is hardly constructive” -- My apologies. I didn’t realize that a Yankee expressing ones feelings would 'rattle so many chains' across the pond. Again I find your comments very flattering. No I have never been to Abingdon, and if the MGCC will pay for my airfare, I would love to attend the meeting. Thank you for the invitation. This past weekend I celebrated my 7th year with my Y Type. It doesn’t have ashtrays, but other than that it has ‘most of its proper bits’. I elected to not put it on Ys on Parade. That is my choice as it is not mandatory for the use of this site -- or is it? About “Does he even exist - or is this a non-de-plume?” First, there is no HE, for HE is a SHE--who has owned a Y Type for 7 years. Second, what is a "non-de-plume" ? (I wasn’t able to Google the phrase). Paul Barrow Thank you for your openness and disclosure. But only 5% - FIVE percent ? Is that a typo ? That ‘noise’ is what has caused all this turmoil ? Gheeesh. I figured there was a lot more going on that 5%. This isn’t 'reasonable', it is a bargin, and it sounds like it would be good business sense for the MGCC. General Comments: Will the same degree of openness be shown by the MGCC? Will they share how much they think they would have to raise prices? -OR- Why this 5% cannot be covered by their profits today? In a perfect world, the MGCC would rethink their position and find a way to work this out. Would it be possible to add an option to any purchase, similar to a restaurant tip, and add an amount --as a gratuity--to go back to support this website? I certainly don’t want to have it turn into one of those 'free' websites annoying pop-up advertisements. |
| C H Fields |
| Dear Mrs. Fields, Thank YOU very much for your comments. A lady with a good taste in cars and apparently a good (if somewhat direct) head on her shoulders always has my ear. My accountant-comment was borne by the past week in which we were visited by accountants, no further comment.... BTW, MY Google suggests the correct spelling when fed: non de plume.... I often visit the website www.carbibles.com which is full of very useful technical info written in a very nice style. The "owner" of this site has a "Paypal donation button" to fund the purchase of a new motorcycle. I donated € 10,- there and would do the same if Paul would open such an account. |
| Willem vd Veer |
| A character in F Scott Fitzgerald's 'Tender is the Night' said "When you get to the last page...close the book". I think this applies here - sadly life is full of unresolved issues. Possibly we should now agree to disagree depending on our point of view. Life is tough enough so let's keep things in perspective. This is a great site and a fine bunch of people using it. Let's strive to keep it that way. |
| D MULLEN |
| I agree with D Mullen's comments, and as the one who started this topic, I would like to now end the discussion and let's move on. Life is too short, not to spend as much time as we can with MG's, and not politics. |
| A Slattery |
| Who would have thought that such passion existed on the outer spiral arm of the MG milky way. Please I have just removed the head lining from my YA only to find the steel channels have rotted away. The real issue for me is what can be done to fix it. |
| B Mellem |
| Hi Brian Email me off line. I have a spare set. Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| Dear All, As I previously promised to keep everyone up to date on what is happening, here is the final word on this from the MG Car Club Y Type Register. I asked the MGCCY Committee to consider the suggestion of Ms Fields for a donation line to be added to the checkout procedure on the MG Car Club Y Type Register shop since the MG Car Club Y Type Register were clearly against the idea of a commission from their sales income. The proposal for a donation line was circulated among the members of the MG Car Club Y Type Register Committee but apparently the consensus is that they do not want to even have a shop facility on www.mgytypes.org even if funded directly and only by donations from their customers. It is entirely up to them where they place their "shop" however, the question that will be uppermost in most people's mind is "why would you put your stall on a side street where no one hardly goes, when you have the opportunity of a High Street frontage?" as someone recently said to me. This is a pretty clear indication therefore that they are not prepared to go with what is in the best interests of MG Y Type owners, but are rather prepared to go to the enormous expense and effort of re-inventing the wheel and setting up their own website and shop. It is disappointing that they did not feel they could exercise enough humility to at least meet your needs on a compromise solution that would have allowed the benefits to accrue to the Owners. I will continue to find other alternate vendors to fill some of the needs that will remain unfilled until the MG Car Club Y Type Register shop is up and running. Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| Dear All, I say why all reference to the MGCC Y register all over the site when it is now international y register. your lord I quote from reprinted articles "By inclusion of the article on this site, the MG Car Club Y Type Register does not necessarily agree wit, nor endorse any of the contents of an article as to correctness or accuracy. All views are those of the original author and original publisher only and not necessarily those of the MG Car Club Y Type Register. They are reproduced here without correction or alteration" Quote Register your Y "The registration of cars and the establishment of a photographic record is more important for the Y-Type than for any of the other post war MG models. Production records were not retained when the MG Car Company closed down and whereas the British Motor Industry Heritage Trust (BMIHT) can give you precise individual production history and ex-works specification for cars such as the MGB, this information is, sadly, not available for the Y-Type. If you have a 'Y' which you think, or know for sure, may not be included in our listings, please contact the Registrar and tell us know about it. We aim to compile as complete a register of the vehicles originally built by the MG factory, as is possible. The Register has already built up an impressive photographic record of cars which is always displayed on our stand at the Club events we attend. We also have an extensive gallery on our Ys on Parade pages and you can elect on this on line form to add your car to them. We would also like to hear from former 'Y' owners who have sold the car (or even you scrapped it). Why not check to see if 'your' old car is there. Current owners are always interested in collecting more information on the past history of their vehicles. There are two ways to Register your Y. You may either:" Lord Denning R.I.P a confused old fool who can't understand if this is MGCC Y Register or ripped off middle east copycat International Y types R.I.P |
| alfred denning |
| Dear Mr. Denning, Thank you for bringing our attention to those two pages. I have corrected the text and uploaded them in revised format. You say in your post "why all reference to the MGCC Y register all over the site". In response to that I would like to point out to you that this website covers some 412 pages of information on the MG Y Type. It was, until 1 February 2010 operated by myself with the express intent "to promote the wider ownership and enjoyment of these wonderful MGs" albeit supported by the MG Car Club Y Type Register in part. This site also was funded in part by myself, and also in part by the MG Car Club Y Type Register. Following a personal decision by myself to leave the MG Car Club, their decision was to leave this site. Although I had fairly short notice of thier intention and request to disengage from this site I undertook a fairly major rewrite of all 412 pages to comply with their express wish. I apologize for having missed these two pages. If there are other pages that you find misleading in any way, please contact me off line from the BBS with your concerns and I will see what can be done to alieviate your concern, or else to reword the text accordingly. Your closing comment of not being able to "understand if this is MGCC Y Register or ripped off middle east copycat" I trust is now explained in as much as www.mgytypes.org and all other URLs that point to the International MG Y Type Register is not a ripped-off middle east copycat, but the original and (currently) only website that caters exclusively for the MG Y Type "irrespective of which club you may, or may not, belong to". Sincerely, Paul Barrow Webmaster www.mgytypes.org |
| Paul Barrow |
| Dear Y Typers, Just over a year on, since one of the longest threads, when "doom and gloom" was first predicted! At this time of reflection, what are the thoughts of the forum users as to the success/failure of the last 12 months? On the eve of the MGCC Y Register AGM I also wanted to pay thanks to their register Scribe Neil Cairns who announced after 14 years he was standing down from his scribe position (See February 2011 edition). What a sad loss (and concern) to the Y Type Community, as their most active Committee member for advice on all things "Y Type." I say time to nominate him as the Chairman and to secure the guys knowledge for years to come! Richard |
| R E Knight |
| R E Knight - You are asking others for their views yet you are not putting forward your own. What are your views? You should tell us that before asking others for thiers. You tell us where you stand and then others may respect youre asking for theyre opinions. As for the rest of the stuff - that is MG Car Club related and wouldn't that be better off on their Forum rather than here? Corry |
| Corry Grainger |
| Paul While I am currently absent from the ranks of 'owners' I must thank you for your suppport and counsel over the years. Unfortunately and almost inevitably, politics always manage to invade the gentlemanly concourse of kindred spirits. Stiff upper lip, ........and all that rot. I will probably be back. Paul |
| Paul Gaynor |
| Hi Paul G Thank you for your kind comments. I think everyone who joined the International Representatives feels pretty much the same way, and that is in the spirit in which Cecil Kimber first set up the MGCC - namely a club that put owners and their cars first. As you say, it is a pity that politics crowd into this and others use clubs to further their own interests, but that is life. It is my intention here on the IMGYTR to keep politics out by ensuring that everything, as originally intended, is freely available to all MG Y owners, irrespective of what club they may, or may not, belong to. I think it is also pretty clear that for sure MG Y owners miss being able to order stuff online from the MGCC Y Register Regalia as they have some very useful stuff. That is still available via their site (http://www.mgccyregister.com/node/32) but only buy contacting them by fax/email. If ever that decision is reconsidered I have no objection to them having ordering back on www.mgytypes.org as before; but that is not my decision, rather it is theirs. If ever you do buy another Y, you know you will always be welcome in the Y world, ... and even if you do not, "Whether you are already enjoying Y Type ownership, or just thinking about it, these pages will have something to offer you." Regards Paul B |
| Paul Barrow |
| I am sure most people will agree with that Paul. Lets get on with everyone enjoying their Ys together and not be parochial about clubs - Cars and Owners is where it is at. CG |
| Corry Grainger |
| PS We should be thinking more about our Y brothers and sisters in Japan right now, not politics REK. GC |
| Corry Grainger |
| Corry, I concur with you the images out of Japan are really sad and I hope the Nuclear Reactor may be made safe. In respect to my own view, this being probably the longest (closest to longest) thread on the BBS I felt it deserved a review, hence my first post posing the Q's. A year on the predicted doom and gloom first portrayed has not happened. The IMGYR continues to grow from strength to strength and is an amazing tribute to Paul Barrow dedication. He was first to support the Australian appeal, when only the main MGCC made reference to it. The IMGYR also supports true enterprise and innovation, an example being YZ publications. I stand by my earlier comments that the fact the IMGYR is a break away site from the MGCC and this was wrong at the time. In short as a member of the MGCC and Y owner, (with hobby/interest in both sites) I also wanted to pass my thanks for all the good work that we Y owners have had over time reading articles supplied by the Y Register scribe. After 14 years service the guy deserves credit for his dedication and at this time there had not been any reference to Neil Cairns announcement in the last issue of SF mag. In respect to my reference to the AGM of the Y Register being held tomorrow, lets hope a new Chairman is elected and that the register takes a new path and different direction from the current lack of apparent direction, both now and a year ago when this thread first started. Corry these are my views and yes they have changed over the year. Some may not share my views (Sorry if upset caused) but a forum is about differing views and listening to others views. Regards Richard |
| R E Knight |
| Well Richard, seeing as no one has risen to your comments and your own personal view that any of the history/split being wrong in your opinion, I will add mine. I do not think it was wrong. I asked Paul and his problem was not with the MG Car Club Y Register but with the Main Club and the way it was going. I am not a memer myself but I cannot imagine that he could leave the main club and then still continue to run the website that was a part of that. I have watched this site and had much joy and informations from it since it started practically so like you I know how much he has put in to it so it is correct that they decided to give it to him to continue. Your other comments about the MG scibe would probably be more appropriate on their new site in the MG forum which seems to have withered on the olive tree as we say here as although i only go there occasionally does not have any attraction or traffic. The board here is for a discussion sure but I think this one has been ahd now and is over. The results of the continued visitor strenght speaks for itself. Corry |
| Corry Grainger |
| Corry, Thanks for sharing your reply. This is what makes a good forum, I just hate a forum where everybody agrees, life isn't like that! You make valid points, I don't share your view "Paul couldn't have carried on as a non member!" Many sites are run by non members. In respect of the main car club they indeed are on the ball, helpful and seem to be heading in the right direction! It is the Y Register themselves that suffer from procrastination which all started back around the time of the start of this thread. The direction of the register is summed up by some of their recent re-elections of committee members! You are correct Paul's site offers much enjoyment and a wealth of information, securing the future Y Type knowledge and information for generations to come. In respect of this BBS it is independant of both the MGCC and IMGYR site as run by Mike Plumstead. I concur finally that this discussion has been had now and the IMGYR has the clear mandate with it's visitors strength to act for the future interests of all Y owners! The achievements of the IMGYR are what the main MGCC at KH aspire to, shame the Y Register lack this foresight and secrecy in today's digital age. |
| R E Knight |
| Richard You may not want to accept that Mr. Barrow could nto carry on as a non-member from me. That is OK, I can accept that, but as you are in Merrie Olde England and Im not please call the high ups at Kimber House and ask them if he could or could not and let me know what they say. Peter Vielvoye may also wish to confirm or comment, but I doubt they would have let him go if they felt that it would have been professionally compatible and appropriate. Regards in Y Types C |
| Corry Grainger |
| Corry, No I get your point of angle and you probably are correct in respect of Paul. KH have lots of Centres, Registers and Branches to manage. I like what the main club promote currently. They are showing leadership, direction and purpose which IMGYR also displays and is a measure to the IMGYR success. You take care Richard |
| R E Knight |
Dear Corry and Richard Have just noticed the comments raised over the last few days. My only thought is that the MGCC Y Type Register site is indeed very good. I am unsure Corry whether you have looked at the current site or the MGCC Micro Site which I believe each of the registers may have. The site that you need to look at is www,mgccytyperegister.com. I am very impressed with the work that has been done by both Ted Gardner and Neil Cairns - I dont think that it has withered on the vine! Have a look and see what you think! In any event its good to have two sites dealing with Y Types. Neil will indeed be a difficult act to follow as scribe for Safety Fast as I well know having taken on the mantle. His last contribution will be in April's issue and my fist will begin in May. So thank you Neil from all your readers on your excellent penned articles. If anyone wishes to provide me with some copy or information about their Y then please contact me by e-mail: jerrybirkbeck@btinternet.com Sincerely Jerry |
| J P BIRKBECK |
| Jerry Greetings from the sunny isle (at least we hope it is!) Apologies if i was misunderstood in my comment about withering on the olive tree - I was not referring to the www.mgccyregister.com site but I meant the MG Car Club Forum for Y Types where there has been no new postings since October 2010. The Y Forum there is like many on the MG Car Club site I guess and only open to members and it seems most of the posting activity goes on on this place. I wish you well in your new position Jerry and will look forward to reading the biannular spreads as they become available on mgytypes.org. Hope i am forgiven for misunderstanding my intents. No board is a place for slandering people though and I hope that more adult comments are forth coming in future. My old mother used to say "If you dont have something nice to say about someone - shut up." In Ys Corry |
| Corry Grainger |
| Jerry, The URL is http://www.mgccyregister.com/ somehow typo type got included. Regards Richard |
| R E Knight |
| I think it is time clear up any misconceptions that this thread may have created. I have refrained from commenting in the past as I believe that the vast majority of Y owners are only interested in enjoying their cars and have no desire to concern themselves with political debate. Firstly I can confirm that Paul resigned from the MGCC for his own reasons and consequently had to relinquish his position on the Y Register committee as treasurer. He did this with the utmost professionalism. We felt that if we were to have a website it needed to be under our own control so in the interest of all Y owners we had no alternative but to pass the ownership of our site on to Paul. We reverted to a micro site within the MGCC site. Richard stepped forward and offered to develop a new site for us. We welcomed his youth and enthusiasm and co-opted him onto our committee. He soon had the structure of our new site set up and working but unfortunately his conception of the way forward was at odds with ours and he felt the need to walk away. We owe him our thanks for all the work he did and we regret that we have lost the chance to bring new enthusiastic young blood onto our committee. Ted Gardner a member of the committee offered to take over the administration of the site. He had no experience but set about learning on the job and we now have an excellent site that we think is complimentary to the IMGYR site. It is young and has a long way to go but is improving all the time with regular updates and inputs. www.mgccyregister.com is a must for any Y owner to spend time on. This bulletin being part of the MG Enthusiasts site can also be accessed from our site and is always going to be the favoured form of communication between Y owners. The MGCC Y Register held a very successful AGM at Kimber House last month where all committee members were unanimously re-elected. Neil Cairnes stood down as Register Scribe after 14 excellent years of service and Jerry Birkbeck has taken up the pen. Jerry is no stranger to the task and has previously contributed very entertainingly to a range of MG publications so I am very confident that the high standards set by Neil will continue. Neil was re-elected onto the committee as Technical advisor so you will still be hearing from him on our website where you can already find many of his past publications. He will certainly not be lost to the cause. The Registrar’s Report and my Chairman’s report can also be accessed from our site if you wish to check out our activities over the past year. As for our direction and way forward we continue to champion the MG Y Type, its ownership and preservation in as many ways as we can. We sell a wide range of publications, accessories and spare parts from our shop, these can be accessed from our website and we are always looking to source none available parts. Our Spring Run and Dinner remains our premier event of the year but is now complimented by an Autumn Run held in the Bedfordshire area. We also have gatherings in the North and South at The Ripon Old Car Show in Yorkshire and new this year at the MGCC South West Auto Aero event in Somerset. Other events where Ys gather can be found on our events page. If there are any other ways that members feel we should be actively furthering our cause I would be very pleased to hear from them. Membership of the MGCC is not a requirement to take part in any of our activities but should you be thinking on those lines please access their website and send for a no obligation “enquiry pack” at www.mgcc.co.uk The Y Register will have a stand at MG Live Silverstone in June with a very interesting display. It will be manned by committee members over the whole 3 days, please do come and meet us and take advantage of our shop sales. I do hope that this has resolved any misconceptions and that we can now all get on with enjoying our Ys. Peter Vielvoye MG Y Register Chairman |
| P W Vielvoye |
| Thank you Peter. That was what I had read on this thread before and confirmed my impressions too. Totally concur with what you have said and I hope there is not any more character assasinations done on either this site or yours. We can all live without that and need to get back to the fundamental principles of enjoying our Y Types. If someone feels they can do a better job and reinvent a better site than either of the two - be my guest ... I doubt you will though. Good luck MG Y fans and kepp driving your cars so every one can see them. Corry An MG Y enjoyer! |
| Corry Grainger |
| Hi Peter Thank you for your clarification above and I completely concur and endorse what you have said. Let us move on. Paul |
| Paul Barrow |
| MG Octagon Club Membership £35.00 http://www.mgoctagoncarclub.com/Membership/membership.html
MG Owners Club Membership £39.00 https://www.mgownersclub.co.uk/benefits MG Car Club Membership £50 / £55. https://www.mgcc.co.uk/membership/ International MG Y Type Register, £0.00 to join, however thanks to Paul Barrow WebMASTER who I know abosrbs considerable costs and personal time to keep the site up together and secure using the latest coding to https standard. One myth that needs to be highlighted to all is the quote from Peter Vielvoye, current site admin of MG Car Club Y Type Register, who states and I quote from the post above "Membership of the MGCC is not a requirement to take part in any of our activities but should you be thinking on those lines please access their website and send for a no obligation “enquiry pack” at www.mgcc.co.uk" One thing for those that are not technologically minded is that the MG Car Club Y Register Facebook Page "Activity" https://www.facebook.com/mgoneandaquarterlitre/ To access and post (Activity)in fact the register do not in fact allow owners to post directly to the facebook page "wall", when I enquired about why this was the case back in the summer asking why I was unable to post and then not able to post, I was told it was because I was no longer in fact a member of MGCC, fair enough, but does this not go against the so called "Myth" as per Peter's earlier post? How does that help a Y Type owner if a non member has an answer to a post hopingto help and support a fellow enthusiast if you cannot post? Come on MGCC Y Register, wake up and remove this awful restriction if you do really care for Y Owners outside the MG Car Club elite membership at nearly twice the price of the Octagon. For those of you interested in Y's and not familiar with Facebook, may I promote an ever growing independent page run by a well known Y type owner Carsten Deuster, the page can be found here https://www.facebook.com/groups/114930561925728/ For those on facebook I would urge you to join, it's free, you can post once accepted to the closed group and it's truly international. Another worthwhile site is the MG Octagon Car Club facebook site, https://www.facebook.com/groups/247032335694366/ Again this is a closed group but once permission is granted, you can post freely, without admin permission and proof and editing the post as per the MGCC Y Register Facebook site as per current setup at the time of my post. Clearly your views and expression are processed and filtered first. I did raise this concern with the current MGCC Y Register Chairman who expressed a view that closed facebook page would indeed discourage Y Owners from posting. Have a look and you will see the only posts are those connected to the register committee, I guess this is a measure of success? or the tiny community posts pushed to the right far side, barely visible. Anyway if you have taken the time and effort to read this far, maybe take another look at the subs listed above and maybe ponder for one moment if you could get more bang for your buck, and like the Guardian and Wikipedia consider whether £50 donation for membership to the MG Car Club could perhaps go to the Octagon club or indeed how you could help secure future of the international MG Y Type Register How to help https://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/howtohelp.shtml I am sure "In My own Personal View" that Paul Barrow cannot sustain overheads for ever, and if you are still reading this far, you must be passionate about Y's just like I am too, and I know that with the hundreds of pages, it is difficult to flag an ever important bit of information from the home page, therefore should you wish to show your appreciation I've added the link. All the above views are my own thoughts on a subject that has concerned me for a while about why I am unable to post the page and I am sure you would like to know too? Take care all who got this far. Richard Knight YT and YB Owner |
| R E Knight |
| Far out, just read through all this crap All I'd like to say is Thankyou Paul for having the strength to keep your cool and keeping the International Y enthusiasts site going I hate politics long live the MGY and the fun/challenge of owning one Cheers Paul, I think you will find we are all behind you in this willy YA 3269 |
| William Revit |
| Richard, our Face Book page is administered by Neil Cairns and a few other members have the facility to post on the central area. Anyone can then comment and add pictures. Also anyone can start a posting as a guest, Neil then at his discretion to transfers the posting to the Central area. Of course all FB pages have the facility to block unwanted postings to protect themselves from internet Trolls. I suspect you have been blocked from the MGCC Y register FB page. I see the definition of a troll is :- In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers ... |
| Peter Vielvoye |
| Peter,
Um, sharing a login and password amongst committee members for posts is a sure sign of poor security, if you shared login details at most work places it would amount to gross misconduct a breach of security and the sack. Peter, even my 8 year son knows the definition of troll if that is what you wish to call me and he also knows how to copy and paste too so well done for your dictionary definition. The simple fact is I cannot understand why as is often the case you fail to answer the question or why you get so easily unsettled by the truth. Richard |
| R E Knight |
| Again you don't understand, no passwords, simply the format of FB we use. I just explained the facts. |
| Peter Vielvoye |
| Um what myth! so one can log in using a web browser and post as MGCC Y Register using no passwords or use of an email address...? Share your secret as that is just simply not possible.
Otherwise you could have all and sundry posting as MGCC Y Register... Wow no wonder the MGCC Y Register webite has had no updates since 19/09/2018. www.facebook.com Home page of Facebook requires a login and password to enter any page / account.... or perhaps you're set up is to cache a password and always be logged in, even more savvy idea Not! |
| R E Knight |
Peter, to post you must use a password!!! To suggest otherwise shows complete incompetence of understanding of how the system works and basic lack of basic IT Security I would suggest.
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| R E Knight |
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