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MG MG Y Type - Chassis No.

Hi Going to have a look at a basket case "Y"
Havn't got a clue as to where things are on these
Where abouts on the chassis is the chassis no.stamped??
Is there any weak spot or anything that I should be looking for--
Thanks- Willy
William Revit

The chassis number is stamped on the front of the chassis (check both sides) where the bumper is mounted. Post some pictures of the car for us.There are many Ys in Australia and some in Tasmania so you should be able to find support.
D MULLEN

Follow link for all you should need to know

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/imgytr/buyersguide.shtml

Also post a photo on Y's on parade and register with the registrar of the IMGYR too, help boost knowledge on ownership of Y's

Richard
R E Knight

Thanks

The car I'm going to check out is only a chassis and various bits and pieces.
I'm led to believe it's from a deceased estate and the body tub has been lost somewhere, but we'll see, I might be able to find it tucked away somewhere.
I'll post some pics when I see it in a week or so.
Thanks again for your reply-s Willy

I have a few mates here with Y types ,including the blue v8 in the y register listings, but I can't ask them about this as MGY hunting is a bit of a cut-throat sport down here at the moment.
I'm sort of hoping it's a YT frame - there are a few here so maybee-maybee------------fingers crossed
William Revit

Well
I've started something here now--
It turned out to be a chassis ,diff,tank,pedals suspension,seats and a few body bits, like dash boot lid screen sunroof and engine
I'm having a little bother working out what the chassis number is
I don't want to enter it on the Y register till I know exactly what I've got
The only numbers I have are

Eng. XPAG/SC/X13990
No. on rh chassis - 3076
No. on lh chassis - 3269
There is also a little plate probably 4" X 1/2" and that has 1.25MG 3148

My problem is that in the archives chassis no 3269 which I am told is the chassis no I should use (lh side) belongs to a maroon car with a different engine no
There are a set of green seats with my lot and that little plate has dark green paint on it so I reckon this was a green/green car, but I have blue wheels so who knows
Maybee the other car in the archives has entered the wrong chassis no in there????????
Or maybee I've got bits of more than one car - Is there a way of tracing identity by engine no. The engine no on the engine is the same as the rego label so at least they match.
Anyway if anyone can help sort out what I have it would be great
By the way when I picked this up the guy there told me it had been under the house there for over 40 years and when I was unloading it at home the rego sticker on the screen was 1959 so I'm guessing it's fairly genuine

Cheers Willy
William Revit

William

The chassis number is, as you have been advised, always the left front chassis leg number as you would have on your left if you were sat in the car. It is more than likely that over the years chassis have been swapped between car bodies and the body that was originally on the chassis number 3269 is now on a different chassis. At the factory as the car was made a guarantee plate was made up with all the various numbers stamped into them. This was then attached to the car on the left hand side of the battery box. If the body tub has been switched then this plate will probably NOT have been switched over. I know for instance that my Y 5270 is actually on a different "chassis" number entirely. There are also at least 2 Ys I know of that are actually Y bodies on Y/T chassis numbers!

Another cause of the problem is that the chassis numbers were not always distinctly stamped. While it would be easy enough in the factory in the day to see the numbers as they came down the line and record them, over the years sequentially and award the correct guarantee plate, it not so easy sometimes to read them now and it may be that the 9 you are reading is actually a badly stamped 8 and you are missing the lower left part of the loop on the 8 as these are now sometimes fairly difficult to make out. There is always possibly to the fact that the mistake may also have been made at the factory too.

Another problem is the colour - and yes you may well be looking at parts from several cars that have been collected over the years prior to them being stored in 1959 especially since you do not have a body for the chassis - who knows what mysteries time has thrown into this!!

Finally the actual record you are looking at on the database for Y 3269 is actually taken from the Australian Import records not an actual owner submission and it is perfectly possible that it was mis-recorded at that time.

As with all archaeology the records we have are reconstructions based on evidence we have received over the years. We are taking every effort to get these correct and find out more stuff every day. Without looking at a picture of the chassis number, and without having a guarantee plate too it makes matching via the engine number to a chassis impossible to verify that the engine you have is in any way original to the chassis you have found. It is also perfectly possible, since we have the records we have on Y 3269 from prime records (Australian Import schedules) that Y 3269 was wrecked and the chassis kept along with an engine from another car to build a Y Special (very common practice too) and the project floundered. My personal feeling is that you have indeed located the chassis remains of Y 3269 … and a pile of spares so you can actually really lay claim to Y 3269 number with anything you build on it subsequently, but that the Import records are also probably correct in that originally this car was Maroon with Red interior and had engine number XPAG/SC/X13088 being imported to Australia on 19 October 1949, sold new by Ron Ward's of Strathfield, Sydney on 4 November 1949 to William C.Jeston, 2 Brooklyn St., Burwood. Sold second-hand by Ron Ward's to Doris A.Marks, 20 "The Raymond", 68 Elizabeth Bay Rd., Elizabeth Bay. Imported by Barclay Motors and shipped on SS Melbourne Star.

The mystery now is what car was engine number XPAG/SC/X13990 originally in as I do not have a match for that yet from prime records ... yet!

Paul
Paul Barrow

Hi Paul
Thanks for your reply - very interesting
One little thing that I see is that the chassis no.s that we talk about here have a Y or YT in front of them whereas mine is just the four numbers -- Is there a way of telling if the frame is from a Y or a YT or am I looking at the wrong numbers altogether
The number I have found 3269 is on the side of the front bumper support roughly in the middle between the steering rack hole and the front
Another thing is I took the engine no from the rego sticker as I could only find the last five digits on the engine plate - I'll have a scrape around on the engine and see if I can find some more no.s , maybee the plate has been swapped
I put the frame away in storage yesterday as I probably won't start on it till next year now when I hopefully find a few more bits and pieces
A good friend gave me a complete grille yesterday so that was a real bonus

Thanks again for your interest Willy

Here's a pic of the frame no but it's not very clear I'llhave to have a better look at it when I get it home again

William Revit

Engine plate

William Revit

rego label

William Revit

William
About three years back a chap that I know of had some MG parts, including a left(I think) front mudguard from a Y. Not sure if he still has it, will track him down if I can and find out. If he does, and it's available, will let you know.
John Turner
J B Turner

Hi William

Thank you for the pictures. It is difficult to get a decent picture showing the chassis number. I am not in the least concerned that the number you show does not have a Y in front of it - the Y/xxxx or Y/T [EX(x)]was only only shown on the guarantee plate. It is perfectly possible that even the engine may have been swapped over before 1959 and I doubt you will be able to find much in the way of retrospective records for the car's importation into Tasmania at any stage though Tony Slattery may be able to help you - he is the IMGYTR's Australia Representative and is very knowledgable and helpful. Similarly, unless we can find more import records it will be tough to find out which Y XPAG/SC/X13990 was fitted to. It was definitely fitted to a Y though and not a Y/T or it would have been XPAG/TR/xxxxx or XPAG/TL/xxxxx denoting Tourer RHD or LHD.

I am attaching a picture and you will see that your number is in approximately the right position, so I think it is quite fair to say that you have found the chassis of Y 3269 at least. As to what Y the engine came from ... only time will tell if we can ever ID that. For my money though, I am still confident that the information on our online database is correct namely that Y 3269 was shipped into Australia with engine # XPAG/SC/X13088 and was originally sold on 3 November 1949.

After you have purchased the remains, please register the chassis with us and when you can find a body (with its guarantee plate) for it then you can have the fun of deciding how to register the vehicle! Of course the resources of the IMGYTR will swing into action and be happy to advise and guide you through that minefield as that is what we are here to do - freely help you (and other MG Y owners and lovers) get the most from their MG Y.

Season's greetings to one and all

Paul

Paul Barrow

For what it's worth, I found numbers on both chassis legs of my car - 3273 on the RH leg and 3498 in the LH. The latter is the car number that was used on other ID plates and the last rego sticker (1970). My chassis number had a 'Y" also stamped into it but the Y was positioned above the number. The engine number was also stamped into the block itself (as well as into the octagonal plate) immediately above the plate.

I am nearing the end of my restoration and have a few bits left over - including a coupe of front guards that would restore pretty well and some running boards that also need panel beating repairs. Also a couple of front doors (Morris 8 Series E doors are exactly the same but will need to be drilled fot the screws for the wood surrounds). I live in Donvale (suburb of Melbourne).

Neil Wakeman
N Wakeman

Thanks guys
I plan to just sit back and have a good think about which way to go bodywise at this stage. There is a lot to find to build a complete car and I've been through that process a few times and don't really know if that's where I want to go again--
The aim at this stage is to correctly identify the chassis, list it correctly on the Y register and restore the chassis/suspension that I have as it is perfectly straight and rust free and should come up very nicely
Thanks again for your intrest Willy

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your families
William Revit

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