MG-Cars.info

Welcome to our Site for MG, Triumph and Austin-Healey Car Information.

Parts

MG parts spares and accessories are available for MG T Series (TA, MG TB, MG TC, MG TD, MG TF), Magnette, MGA, Twin cam, MGB, MGBGT, MGC, MGC GT, MG Midget, Sprite and other MG models from British car spares company LBCarCo.

MG MG Y Type - DVLA records for Y Types

A question for UK owners.

I recently sent my form V5C (registration document)off to DVLA for amendment, as I had noticed that on line D1 of that form, under the heading "Make" my car was down as "MG YB". On line D3 under "Model" it was blank. With me so far?
I asked them to amend Make to "MG" and insert under Model "MG YB"- a simple request, so I thought.
It has now taken them 9 weeks to tell me that "Unfortunately, we cannot amend the model desription for this vehicle. At the time of first registration of this vehicle, the manufacturer did not provide a model code for your vehicle. A model description can only be put on the V5C with this code and due to the date of first registration it is unlikely the manufacturer will have this code to date"

This came to light as when I wanted to check the car details on the DVLA website, it initially showed up as "vehicle details could not be found" when I entered the make as MG. It was only when I entered the make as MG YB, that it brought up the car's details. Is this madness or Government bureauocracy at its best?
Cheers
Keith
Keith D Herkes

Keith,

Mine show make as simly MG in the D1 field. The model fields are blank on both of my Y types.

Richard
R E Knight

Keith,

Further to my last, get DVLA to update the Make as simply "MG" the model field is not used in the search from what I can decipher, from simple DVLA search online the only details it asks for is VRM, Make or straight forward search using V5C document reference number.

I would guess the reason your car not showing is the MG YB part of the make is still throwing it out as not match therefore showing up record not existing.

Richard
R E Knight

Hi Keith, I have exactly the same issue with DVLA. My YB is registered as make MGY and despite trying to update records at DVLA it is still registered under manufacturer MGY.
Regards, Mick
M C Bath

Keith / Mick,

Don't give up the DVLA should hold accurate information, I doubt a car would constitute personal information as governed by data protection act
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/data-protection-act-guidance-on-compliance.asp

However the principle is the same, data about something that can impact on your life, for example being stopped and needing to be established by law enforcement if your car has valid MOT and tax paid. If you car does not show up then your likely to be stood at the roadside arguing the toss I suspect that your documents are all in order.

Pester the DVLA until they make relevant changes, after all they can prove there was no make called MGYB or MGY for that matter. Not like you are asking to change the chassis VIN number for example then I could understand the delay/reluctance.

Richard
R E Knight

Keith and Mick

You are both registered with us at the International MG Y Type Register so if it will help we can and will write you an individualized letter of support verifying your car's relevant details so that your V5 can be amended. Some UK Clubs offer this service and also require either a fixed fee or donation for that. We are pleased to advise you that this will be another part though of our free service to you. Hopefully this will smooth the passage for you with them - we can but try!

I am currently traveling away from home but if you email me off-line with the specific points you require us to hit for you I will be pleased to do that for you upon my return.

Richard - if you require the same for your YBs or YT let me know too.

Paul
Paul Barrow

Paul,

Thanks for offer, thankfully my V5C and cars do display on the data base so on this occasion I am ok thanks.

Richard
R E Knight

Its a common problem caused by the way that the system was set up.

My MG MGB has the same problem.
They wanted to call it a B when is an MGB. Many arguments later, including a note from the car's designer Don Hayter they refused to change it. I settled for MG as the make and the model blank in the end.
My motor bike has the same problem. It is a BSA D7 (the ninth one built and the oldest known example) -its make is BSA D7. A friend's Austin Healey 100/4 has make of Austin 100.
The system relies on manufacturers giving each vehicle type and variation some form of code which is impossible in our cases.
The number of owners too can cause a problem.
Check yours!
With my MGB ( 4 owners from new) it suddenly became after one V5 revision. a two owner car from new with the previous owner having acquired it on the date of first registration. By the way mine is not the only pre 1983 car with this problem.It is why a lot of two owner cars appear on the market. Another battle.

In summary the DVLA V5c system is not user friendly to recording the details of vehicles first registered pre DVLA - and its a minor thorn in their side so it won't get changed in a hurry
G R Wilder

on my v5c for make it says MG and then nothing at all for type or model. this is also how it is on the green old style log book. my car is a ya
Graham Sharpe

if you go down to the E on the V5 it states there wether you have a y or yb,i have the original buff log book with the first registration and the type or model is blank but above it in big letters is chassis type/letter/no YB0362 and still shows up on the latest V5. i presume Y/YA owners will just have Y---- in that space so you would not be able to pass a Y/YA off as a YB
JC Jebb

Just an addition to my last posting, I think more important than the model issue is the Keeper or owner history on the V5, in the old buff reg books you could tell how many owners the car had had and the area they lived in. My red faced V5 states in Z1 the previous owner which is correct Z2 which states he aquired the vehicle on the07/03/1952 which is wrong he got in 61, and Z no of previous owners which states 1 which in actual fact should read 4 so the modern V5/log book is not really a lot of good for history finding for classic/vintage cars
JC Jebb

Hi all,
An update - I have now received a replacement V5C with the Make now correctly shown as "MG" and the Model detail is blank. Partial success.

Mr Jebb, the points you make about previous owners is quite valid as mine is incorrect, but I gave up trying to get them to change it soon after I reclaimed the registration number in 1996. Despite submitting the old buff log book, they said it was not their policy to back date current records. However, they stated that for a fee they will search the records and provide a copy of previous owners details, on request.
Yes, line E does show the chassis number which indicates which model it relates to.

I have learnt that the FBHVC have recently made a submission to DVLA about the incorrect data held on V5Cs, but don't hold your breath for the outcome.
Keith
Keith D Herkes

correct vehicle records are not the only failure of the DVLA, they start my license from 1973 and despite me having proof, the pink slip of it starting in 1956 they wont accept it
John Jebb UMG624
JC Jebb

John,

Presume this is not your YB then as it shows 7th March 1952 as DOFR?

Richard
R E Knight

This thread was discussed between 27/10/2014 and 23/11/2014

MG MG Y Type index

This thread is from the archives. Join the live MG MG Y Type BBS now