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MG MG Y Type - Gear Lever Spring(s)

Owners,

Tony Slattery a Y Owner just like you and I, an enthusiast had commissioned the making of the "Gear Lever Spring" maybe two or three years plus ago.

http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/stores/classicwshop.shtml

Against what Peter Vielvoye has said as his Chairman's slogan I quote "We want to complement not compete" I note the MGCC Y Register are selling exactly what Tony offers.
http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/stores/classicwshop.shtml

Helpful to the small guy, as I note from my time on their committee they would not seek to copy any items the Octagon club sold, so why double standards?

Richard
R E Knight

Well this is interesting.

All I can say really - the springs I supply are made from the finest Australian Spring Steel and produced using quality equipment to the original specifications for Y-Types.

If someone can supply at less than my (Y-enthusiast)cost price - I'd suggest they are of a lower quality and standard. There is no "profit margin" in my price.

I could have ordered my springs from Asia, but did not, as the quality control is simply not there !.

I still have a couple of springs left if anyone needs one.

I also have the return springs for the YA/YB trafficator switches. Years ago I used to supply these to the MGCC Register for re-sale, but now offer them direct at cost price to Y-Enthusiasts through the International Y-Type Register.

Cheers

Tony Slattery
A L SLATTERY

So tired cant even spell my name correctly!
Cheers
Jerry
J P BIRKBECK

It may seem rather out of context my posting as I appear to have deleted my earlier note. Will send a replacement as I recover from leaving NZ on evening and arrive in SF 12 hours later on the morning of the same day. International time zones eh!.

Jerry
J P BIRKBECK

Sorry I missed you in NZ Jerry - we were so close, but I had no idea at the time - I was driving the MG VA Tickford in the parade (they won't accept Y-Types - too modern).

Please don't tell anyone how good the Art Deco Weekend is in Napier, if any more people attend and try to fit in the town, we common folk will miss out.

Cheers from Oz,
Tony
A L SLATTERY

Jerry - shame you dont have time to grab an internal flight from SF to SeaTac I would have come and picked you up and you could have had a few days up here. Safe onward journey.

Paul
Paul Barrow

Thanks Paul
We are in SF for just a few days and are catching up with Jo's bridesmaid from 41 years ago. Nice thought though and appreciated.

In response to Richard's posting which I replied to but managed to delete here are my thoughts on the matter.

The MGCC Y Register is like any of the other registers within the club in that it is not allowed to manufacture any parts which affect the steering,transmission and braking of the car.

What we do is to seek suppliers who are able to provide those small parts which others do not provide. In the course of this we have come across
companies who are prepared to supply other parts at competitive rates - as in the case of the springs to which you are refering.

As a Register we have limited reserves and in my view use them sensibly for the benefit of Y owners. Moreover, they are available for all though MGCC members receive a 5% discount
The springs are available at 8.45 GBP compared with around 15.00 from Octagon and around 17.00 from NTG.
You can see details on the Y Register site www.mgccyregister.com on the regalia page.

Hope this clarifies matters

Sincerely
Jerry
J P BIRKBECK

Jerry,

Thanks for the post. Your point about the MG Car club imposed limitations I accept is not the fault of Y Register but is a wider club issue that I find odd when the Octagon does such a fantastic job of selling parts for our cars with no problems.
I am sure your intentions of sourcing parts are “genuine intentions” to help Y Owners. This I do not doubt, but what I find strange is how re-production of a part already for sale helps the Y owner? Surely investment in re-manufacture of parts not currently for sale for example Lockheed brake master cylinder for YA/YT can’t be brought off shelf, the correct profile door rubber weather seal, can’t be purchased to original spec, but if enough interest could be re made (List not exhaustive). I note in past BBS posts from enthusiasts like Keith Herkes & the late David Pelham. They have enquired about chrome works that were asking for interest to calculate order viability. These sort of ventures help, but surely it would be far easier under one umbrella namely MG Car Club register as organisation or IMGYTR for example.
Not wishing to stomp back on old ground, but why not ask IMGYTR to integrate your regalia shop under portal of the existing IMGYTR site? Surely one umbrella for all things Y Type is a far better help to owners? The fact there is the parts cross reference http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/xparts/index.shtml helps keep all this information under one umbrella than continue to fragment data.
I accept that we live in free enterprise world and competition exists, but I do feel the soon to be departed Chairman got it wrong when he summed up that he wanted a register website to “complement and not to compete” with the existing IMGYTR site, when in fact selling an existing part sold by an enthusiast vendor is competition!
The clubs intention of creating a new web site as I believe to be the case is again going to competition, otherwise why ask for permission to use the existing links page for example and to copy some of the data?

I think this thread opens up other questions as to future direction of the UK MG Car Club Y registers direction, where the obvious answer in times of austerity is “Why re-create the wheel?” The product is already out there with www.mgytypes.org why not work in partnership and tap into the success of the IMGYTR since the split, rather than re-create what to now has been business model that's not worked?

Richard
R E Knight

Richard,
The issue regarding both these sites seem to keep raising its head. I for one do not understand the problem with having 2 independent sites. I am not particularly interested in the history of the reason of any split, as I have just said it is history !!!!

I regularly visit both web sites and have participated in both sites .I am a member of the MGCC and own both a MGYA and A TD so I equally use the T register site also. I feel as a member of the MGCC and the Y register who attends their gatherings and events that it is our site where we can exchange information regarding local social events etc.

I am confident that when the new site comes on line it will be updated on a regular basis.

I really believe this issue should finally be laid to rest. and as for parts I would much rather get them local than send half way round the world, maybe thats just being a yorkshire man who does want to pay import duty.

Regards chris
C A Pick

Richard
I think Chris has summed it up excellently,
Quite how your idea of using Y Register resources ro fund low volume production of itens, in conjunction with others to produce the safety items that we are restricted from providing is difficult to follow.

As an MGCC member perhaps you would like to attend the Y Register AGM on 30/03/14 and outline your proposals.
We would be delighted to hear how we might achieve the realisation of such worthwhile initiatives.

sincerely

Jerry
J P BIRKBECK

Richard,
For the past four years or so I have endured your sniping at the MGCC Y Register and myself as chairman but have refrained from entering into a public argument with you. As I near the end of my tenure and we look for new committee members and a new chairman it may be time to clear the air. Y owners may be surprised in the light of your latest remarks to know the reason for your resignation as webmaster from our committee. It was basically because we would not allow you to start a copyright war with the IMGYTR as you had downloaded their whole site and wanted to use it in the creation of our new site.

The fact that you had to leave behind you the website you had created for us through many hours of hard work, left you with a huge chip on your shoulder and you started your campaign of picking holes in our activities and sniping at every possible opportunity.

You are obviously a passionate classic owner and like all of us get a huge amount of pleasure from owning Y types. Sadly you have not grasped the meaning of the MGCC slogan “The marque of friendship”

I support Jerry’s suggestion that you attend our AGM and may I extend the invitation to all, why not come along and enjoy a very friendly Y orientated morning on Sunday 30th March. I have thoroughly enjoyed my 5 years as Chairman and made many new friends. We have two committee members standing down this year so why not give us a try.

Peter
P W Vielvoye

Peter,

Yes, perhaps surprised that I asked to use the MG Car club publication "Safety Fast" Y registers monthly news article on a page on the MG Car Club Y Registers site but you blocked it. I know of no company in the world that would object to their own material being published on their own web site.

Yes, I've made comment about the direction of your stewardship, and in 2010 made negative comments about IMGYTR which on reflection were ill informed. The IMGYTR has grown in success, your site can't decide if it is there to compete by reproduction of items already on offer, or if it is too frightened to publish it's own club magazine for members to read.

You are happy in past to have your events advertised on the IMGYTR site, on offer of report in return but again failure to deliver the report.

I pay my annual subs that have increased this year, so I speak as a member or is this not allowed either in the world of MG Y Register committee?
R E Knight

Leaving aside the boring and unedifying spat above, as far as I'm concerned the more we have entrepreneurs among our number who have the skills and resources to give us options, the better. Power to the elbow of those who come up with legitimate options for the rest of us to enjoy; and spare us from the single-supplier scenario, with its attendant risks of falling quality and rising prices.Just sayin'! Regards. John.
J.P. Hall

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