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MG MG Y Type - how do you fix the back of the front seats ?

today i finished the work on the new leather for the seats
i need some pictures from the original back of the front seats
my seats where glued horrible to the seat

here the hole story how i have done it

https://www.mgexp.com/forum/t-series-and-prewar-forum.46/mg-ya-no-1675-from-1948.4022768.4292077/page-42#msg-4292077


investment in the moment for the leather and the tools i need for it less 350 Euro for all
80 Euro for one leather, i had 2
one pfaff 92 with some tools 80 Euro
skai for 50 Euro, but i have to order for the side plates some more, 100m glue tape 2mm


FT Franz

Franz

I have some original seats sitting around my shed, waiting to be upholstered and fitted to my YT, so I could take some photos of details if you could explain exactly what photos you would like.

A quick look shows the seat upholstery is wrapped around the seat frame and glued to the back, then a hidem (unsure of diameter or rope/rubber inner) is tacked over this.

The rear board/piece has fabric glued to it and the glued fabric wraps over the panel by about an inch. A line of stitching through the board holds the fabric on both sides of the board near the edge to the seat frame. The stitcking appears to be level with the top of the "Ash tray" cut out.

cheers
Stuart
Stuart Duncan

Hi
could you sent me some pictures how it looks original
the TF seats are nailed to the back between a two keder line, don t know the word
my back had been glued too but horrible,

franz@tenbrock.de
FT Franz

Hi Franz, Stuart
I too have a pair (not quite identical, but a pair anyway) of YT seats. I seems to me the back is actually tacked. Of that I am sure as I have found the tacks.
I'll take some pics as best I can in a day or so. At present it seems to be that the back rexine has a piping edging . That is laid around the seat back, tacked to the seat back. There is also a bit of what looks like a cardboard in the back rexine. and the ashtray metal frame hooks over this. I need to take some pics and probably draw a diag to explain this. How you get the tacks in needs more thought though.

Indulge me as I have just excavated to reclaim the seats from below about six layers of all carefully preserved other stuff to try to help with this query, and also to satisfy my own curiosity. Watch this space.

regards KGM
K G Mills

Hi again,

I have looked at my two seats. Hereunder are some pics.
The back seems to comprise a former ( of millboard?), covered with vinyl turned over at the edge, and fitted with piping along the edge. There is a single row of stitching (7mm stitches) through the vinyl, millboard and the piping. all around the edge.
First two images
1 relatively intact top back of a seat. Shows how the metal back retains the covering at the ash tray cutout

2 a not so intact top back (on the other seat) showing the edge piping and the heads of the tacks.
The piping is hard to make out , the piping cord is clear enough though, and the piping fabric either side has been worn away and lost its color. You can probably make out the heads of three tacks. The outer two are proud, the one between them is slightly embedded in the flange of the piping





K G Mills

Me again,

For the first pic here, the seat is lying on its back I have prised the millboard off the frame a bit and propped it open.
The stitching is torn, but the remnants are visible along the piping, and the holes in the back.
Again the tacks can be seen about 30 mm apart

In the second image, I have pulled the piping off the frame a bit. so two of the tacks can be seen.

I am not an upholsterer, but my thoughts are that it was made by sewing the piping, and then sticking the tacks through it along the line of the stitching. Then the piping was sewn to the millboard and its covering.

The whole thing was then put in place against the seat frame and the tacks driven home. Upholsterers have a rawhide hammer, sort of a smallish mallet that is used with things called "tacking strips". So the covering fabric is not damaged. The stitching would have been done I guess with the sort of machine that boot makers have, probably not your pfaff I fear, Franz. Though those machines are not all that expensive, <$Aus 200 I think.

Maybe this helps.

regards Kevin M





K G Mills

Thank you
Now I understand.
But it will be difficult to do it the way they did it.
I have an idea but I don't know if it will work.
i will fix the skai on the backside with my double sided tape
then I'll mark the corner with a pencil, take the tape and attach the
keder
then i pull off the skai with the piping and sew it to the skai
then both are glued and fixed to the back again.
this way i don't need the seam through the backside
the tf has a double welt where the nails are driven through the middle, here at the edge it is a bit more difficult.
a new challenge for me
if it doesn t work i will make it like the tf
on wendsdey orderd the material
today i got it
so i can do a little bit on weekend
have holiday nesxt week but a lot of work in my house too
so i have to see what time i will have to make it
you will see it here and some more in my blog
FT Franz

Franz
Due to other commitments, I was unable to get back to my Y seats to confirm how material was attached. My earlier reply was based on what I saw with a quick inspection. Tacks were hidden under the piping (not Hidem).

After examining the seats in more detail today, I agree with Kevin, seat material is tacked to seat, whilst material and piping are sewn onto the Millboard rear of seat cover.

A good description of how the material is attached is in Lawrence's "Let There Be Ys".

If you want to get fussy, it would appear the stitching around the seat edge is spaced wider (5/16") than where it meets the rear carpet material piece (ie. 1/4" spacing).

Kevin, when I look at your photos showing the cutout for the ash tray and in "Let there Be Ys, and compare it to my seats (obtained from Tony Slattery) the cut outs in my seats appear to be longer (see photo). As Lawrence makes no mention of different rear of front seat Ash Trays, I am thinking someone at sometime has replaced the Ash Trays in the seats I have with larger ones.

cheers
Stuart


Stuart Duncan


i have orderd hard paper 1,5 mm thick as it is in original, two different kind of paper
i want it to make as original, the problem, how can i hit the nails without damage the new skai
a friend has a proffesionl machine to make the stiching
i hope it will go
FT Franz

HERE STEP BY STEP HOW I DISMANETELED THE FRONT SEAT
perhaps someone can use it
FT Franz

Hi Stuart,


Franz's pictures show his ashtrays, which would seem to be the same size as mine were. I don't have any, sadly. I note LTBY's says some cars may not have had them. I have also seen that one enterprising soul actually made up wooden look-alikes. Now that I could do. (With a suitable no-smoking logo perhaps.)

The other alternatives are to buy replicas ($$$) or just cover them over.

But if you are correct that yours are similar, then that raises the possibility for me of finding a near equivalent.
Any suggestions?

regards Kevin M
K G Mills

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FT Franz

Hi Kevin & Franz

I contact the MGCC Y Register parts store, who had them listed for sale, but the MGCC has currently banned Registers from selling parts due to liability insurance.

In the February issue of the MG Octagon CC "Bulletin" there is an article on their new 3D printed MG Y type ash trays the Octagon Club is having made and selling for 60pd each, a lot less than the 100pd +, the Y Register was selling them for.

cheers
Stuart
Stuart Duncan

I know IT, but i have 2 3d printers at Home and i can make my own Design😂 also i Don t want top pay Tax and expensive shipping Form England
Don t understand the Brexit
FT Franz

hi
have tried to make the backside with my pfaff 92
had used 1,5 mm thick hard paper
and now i have it
will try to install it in the evening
FT Franz

without the black carpet ;-)




FT Franz

First Front Seat now ready
Was not zu difficult
I have used hard Papier,1,5mm and my Pfaff 92 hasn t had any problems with it
Was the first time done this
Happy with the result




FT Franz

Hi Franz,
I very much admire your skill. The seats look great.

I would guess you are very busy with you own restoration, but are you able to build the 3D printer files for the ashtrays for me?

regards Kevin M
K G Mills

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FT Franz

i have one lightly damaged ashtray and
one ash tray is missing, so i designed my own with measurment from the original
here my first print with a special PLA, 30% brass powder in it, so you can polish it
don t konw in the moment exactly how to polish it, so i burnt it a little bit, but it is possible, so you get a part and you don t see at once that it is printed,

tomorrow i will print the holder too

there are more expensive material today available with more mtal powder in it, so it is better to polish it
so we can restore our cars if some parts are missing
i love this solutions, and with every part i have done it is better...
have all the parts for a new warning light switch in old MG Style with led in it , and you would not see this, will print it in clear resin with Warning logo in it, so after painting black only the logo will light

some more infos in my MG YA 1675 blog





FT Franz

Now both ready




FT Franz

First unpolished
Second polished
Now i understand this fantastic Material
Every part will Look a little bit different

starting Mass production
;-)




FT Franz

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