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MG MG Y Type - retaining original reg. numbers

Hi, I own YB/1459. Ive been looking at it deciding what to do with it, as the body it's VERY rusty. Parts car for my YA and YB or some sort of special.

The problem is it has no V5c just the old buff log book. So my question is, if I rebuild with its chassis and running gear but non standard body work will I still be able to get its original registration number back?
J Arkley

DVLA Form V765 Use form V765 to re-register your vehicle under its original registration number. This may be because the vehicle missed the 1983 deadline, or because it has never been registered with the DVLA.

Follow link:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/onlineforms.aspx?keywords=registration+plate

One thing to consider, is the original VRM will probably have a non transfer note added to V5C to prevent transfer. Although I am no expert! Ask DVLA for final decision
R E Knight

I know I need that form, what I don't know is how original the car needs to be.
J Arkley

Register now, as the DVLA needs a photo of the car as it is - condition should not matter. You simply advise them of a change in body type when the work is complete. Your insurance company must also be advised.
Do not surrender your buff log book - see E on the form.
R A WILSON

Forgot to say - there is another thread about an XPAG engined special which is built on a Y type chassis. It has just been sold, but you could telephone the previous owner to determine what the V5C states and how he changed it - follow the links to obtain his telephone number.
R A WILSON

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kit-cars-and-rebuilds

Keeping a vehicle’s original registration number

You can apply to keep a rebuilt vehicle’s original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
an unmodified frame, either original or new (motorbike)

You must have a registration document or other written evidence linking the registration number to the vehicle.

You also have to have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists:
For cars or light vans

suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
R E Knight

Is it possible that the above relates to keeping an existing registration number - I understand the problem is to get back the original registration number and a V5C.
R A WILSON

So they don't have to be inspected in person, by post is ok?
I have had this done before but someone from a local club came and it was a running in one peace van.

This is the MG now....not a lot to take a photo of but there is a chassis number and number plates


http://oi43.tinypic.com/eqyueh.jpg


J Arkley

Many years since I researched this topic, but I seem to recollect a valid up to date MOT was required.
I know the rules for this age of car has now changed and MOT tests are no longer mandatory for Y Type age related vehicles.
I would suggest DVLA would clear this one up, but some kind of inspection surely be required otherwise system open to fraud, where abuse of the system may be sought for financial gain in retention of valued age related plate for any old "Banger"
R E Knight

No that's for taking a number off a car. I want to make sure I keep it with it and not get Q Reg. When/if it goes back on the road.
J Arkley

Why not go to the DVLA office in Stockton on Tees or Newcastle upon Tyne and ask them how to proceed, as you wish to restore the car and put it back on the road. A photo without the other car, and perhaps of the front, would be better. Take your buff log book, but do not surrender it. Ring up the person who sold the MG xpag engined special, but I think a change in bodywork can be dealt with once you have a V5C.
R A WILSON

Mr Arkley et al,
Irrespective of what your future intentions are for the car, your primary task is to regain the Registration Number as shown in the Buff Log Book, which I am assuming is the original number to the car, pre-supposing of course, that the number is still available and has not been sold on the a new owner in the past.

In any contact with the DVLA/forms etc, do NOT declare your plans/modification - you are going to "rebuild it".

Ideally you will need photographic evidence of the various "I.D. plates" on your car, but particularly the MG Guarantee Plate.

Do you have an old picture of the front of the car with its original number plate in situ? If not take one now with the plate fixed on.
Try to minimise in photos the missing area of bodywork.

Do you have any other photographic or documents linking that car with the required number plate?

Based on personal experience, I would strongly suggest that before you worry about filling forms, you contact Customer Services at DVLA Swansea and tell them that you wish to regain the original number: tell them what evidence you have and then ASK THEM the way forward.

Remember to stress to them that it is a relatively rare car and warrants restoration with its original number.

You will (hopefully) find them very helpful so long as you approach them with the attitude that you are seeking their help and advice.
Keep a note of the name of the person you speak to and an extention number if you wish to revert to them at a later date.
Hope this helps
Good luck Keith
PS as other have said, DO NOT surrender the old Log Book, and clearly request its return on any future paperwork, other wise thay will destroy it





Keith D Herkes

Regarding the photo of the car, I do like the improved access to the rear mechanicals. I don't think the engine and gearbox are fitted, but I think the gearbox dipstick would be easier to get to. Greasing the prop shaft universal joints appears to be a dream. If we get a sunny summer, you might need factor 20 suncream.
R A WILSON



The DVLA thread on the V765 scheme to retain an existing number

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/old-vehicles

In a nut shell from the DVLA.

"Getting your vehicle’s original registration number
You may be able to register an old vehicle under its original registration number if either:

it’s never been registered at DVLA
it has an age-related registration number
To do this, you’ll have to:

follow the instructions for ‘new registrations’
fill in form V765 (‘Application to register a vehicle under its original registration number’)
get form V765 endorsed by an authorised vehicle owners’ club - you can download a list of them below
provide a recent photo of the vehicle and documentary evidence that links it to the original number - eg the original log book
Send all the relevant forms to the DVLA or deliver them to a DVLA local office."

From experience the DVLA will need to know that it is a substantially a complete vehicle - see below.

From the notes provided to authorised vehicle owners clubs

"Applications must be submitted on form V765 and signed by the keeper of the vehicle
agreeing to the terms and conditions of the V765 scheme. A V55/5 should also be
completed and a recent photograph of the vehicle confirming it as a complete entity
must be included. A FEE IS NOT APPLICABLE as the vehicle is being re-registered and
is not applying for first registration."

These are the MG Clubs which are authorised
MG Car Club
MG Octagon Car Club
MG Owners Club
MGCC ‘T’ Register

You do not have to be a member of any club but you may have to pay for their services.

From the photograph supplied earlier in the thread I think that an application for this vehicle will fail as it is not substantially a complete entity.

Be warned too that the DVLA do carry random inspections of applications!!!
G R Wilder

I am in the octagon car club so I'll ask them. I have photo on this site of the complete car and the bulkhead is still institute.
I have the engine and gearbox, just not in the car.
J Arkley

The key factor is that DVLA will only reissue registrations to vehicles which are complete now, not some time in the past.

Clubs which participate in the scheme have to be sure they are meeting the requirements laid down by DVLA - one inspection finding otherwise could loose that club its approval.

G R Wilder

You are fortunate if the original log book exists. In Surrey any change in ownership was stamped in the book along with the vehicle tax which I can't quite remember could be for the quarter year. When petrol rationing was re-introduced this was also stamped in the book, my YA and motorcycle [1939 Triumph Tiger70] both had new log books re-issued when they filled up. Bryan
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