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MG MG Y Type - Y-Type Detective Work

The International MG Y-Type Register is in need of a couple of volunteer detectives. Your role, should you chose to accept, is to track down Y-Types known to be in your area and encourage the owners to add their cars to the register and Y's On Parade.

At the moment we have leads/information on Y-Types in Singapore and Cape Town in South Africa, so if you have a passion for Y-Types, like meeting other owners, and enjoy a bit of detective work, please apply to IMGYTR website contacts.

There are more Y's out there - help us find them & help them.
A L SLATTERY

And of course you can also post the information on the MG Car Club Y Type Register site, which holds the largest number of Y's known worldwide.

It's very easy just type in www.mgccytyperegister.com and select the How to Register your car. This can be sent online to the Registrar.

Thanks

Jerry
J P BIRKBECK

Good afternoon Jerry, how many does the www.mgccytyperegister.com register have please? I guess you must have that info immediately to hand to make the claim you do about it being the largest and I think some figures are in order to support your claim.

CG
Corry Grainger

Jerry,

The URL is www.mgccyregister.com/registration there is no "Type" FYI.

Regards

Richard
R E Knight

Jerry,
We have never met but I wonder where are your manners. If you wish to promote the MGCC, please start your own thread and use your own creative ideas.

I have been collecting register information on Y-Types for more than 20 years, and for a good 15 years supplied the MGCC Y-Register with all the information I could gather on Australian Y's - unfortunately the information flow was all one-way traffic.

Registers are not the exclusive perogative of the MGCC, in fact the MGCC did not even care about Y-Types for a long, long time - long after myself and others had gathered details on thousands of cars in informal registers.

The International Y-Type Register has over 3,100 cars listed, and ALL CAR DETAILS ARE AVAILABLE to individual owners or enthusiasts - via the website - regardless of membership to any club.

I await with eager anticipation for the day the MGCC Y-Register decide to make the combined knowledge of their register available to the world. A great deal of the knowledge & information in that register on Australian cars came from me for free, yet the club now says it owns this information and won't reveal it to anyone.

So come on Jerry, surprise me - tell me how many cars are in the MGCC Y-register that are current members of the club and how many are not. I suspect you cannot even tell me how many cars in total, let alone any proper analysis.

The success of the MGCC Y-Register website speaks volumes for the lack of support it gets from Y-owners around the world - the world has changed thanks to the net and the MGCC has missed the boat.

In conclusion - sod off Jerry !!, and you too Richard - start your own threads - don't hijack mine !.
A L SLATTERY

Gentlemen, can you ALL please refrain from fighting "the Great Y-type Register War" in every thread!

Although I can imagine why Tony reacts like this, maybe these thing are better said in a personal email from Tony to Jerry and/or Richard?

To get back to the thread: I've located another surviver in Holland and asked the owner to submit it to YA's On Parade. Alas the owner comes from the blessed age when computers weren't the norm, so after I return from holiday I will coach him in the right direction.
Willem vd Veer

Tony,

In a word, "How correcting Jerrys incorrect URL posting" amounts to (me) hijacking of your post god only knows? Perhaps you wish to explain your tetchy tone?
Telling another Y owner to "Sod Off" beggars belief and shows your lack of manners. But for sure I won't lose sleep over your remark as others have said far worse, and hey if you can't take a negative post don't use the BBS.

Jerry is a fine chap, who has done a lot organising for the Y owners here in the UK. Without Jerry efforts over many years, you may care to look over past Safety Fast copies on the IMGYR and you will see the effort this guy has put in not just for MGCC members but all Y Members irrespective of club membership. This includes the period after an unfortunate crash where he didn't even own a Y Type!

In respect of your comment "The MGCC have missed the boat", don't talk rot! The MGCC have good variety of websites, for more than just the Y Type. OK the MGCC Y Register site started off well, yes it has hit the buffers of late simply because the CMS software isn't being used the way it were designed and the menus are a complete mess! But lets not forget the simple fact, the IMGYR site started life off as the MGCC Y Register site and it was from the point Paul left to rebrand the old MGCC Y Register site as the IMGYR site that the web side of the register steered into choppy waters, under the stewardship of the current Chairman/Secretary/PR.

In respect of IMGYR it is superb site in respect of content and is long time established by hours and hours of Paul's time, but what it has not got is a sound guy like Jerry organising good events year on year. Also if you engaged with some of the committee you would also realise that there is a vast knowledge of Y Type information too that can be "tap into"

In conclusion you make your point, you ain't a fan of the MGCC Y Site so don't use it!
R E Knight

Oh dear, dear, people are very sensitive at times!
Maybe my point was a little tongue in cheek and I guess when I posted my comment I probably expected a reaction but perhaps not quite so agitated as this!

A few facts - until Paul decided to go independent the IYType site was the official site for the MGCC Y Type Register and it provided funding when sought by Paul. All the information about the distribution of Y Types was collated by Jack Murray, the Registrar of the MGCC, and this information was published and updated annually and available on the site, which was then managed by Paul from its inception in 2004.

However, in I believe 2009/10 Paul choose to leave the MG Car Club and both parties mutually agreed to go their own way. Each now have their own sites and a reasonable person would argue that this enables Y Type owners to enjoy a wider range of knowledge about their own cars.

The question was quite reasonably asked about my providing the information to substantiate the claim that the MGCC Y Type Register holding the largest number of Y's known in the world. This is taken from the MGCC Y Type Register website if anyone is mindful to check this information.

As with so many matters politics entered the world of Y Type 'management' and the result of this was the split a couple of years. Both sites are now established as mentioned and ideally co-exist in the Y Type world.

I entirely agree with Tony's point that the MGCC did not care about Y Types for a long, long time. They were as is well known a suitable source for XPAG engines in particular and other parts including brake parts etc, etc.

However, when I intially joined the MGCC in 1972,on acquiring my first Y Type, the models were included under the T Type Register (rather ironic when one considers that some of their members were responsible for breaking up Y's!). During the late 1980's Dennis Doubtfire, the current President of the MGCC Y Type Register, championed the cause of the Y Type and through his endeavours a separate Register was formed within the MGCC.

However, the key driver in gaining an understanding and recognition of the Y Type was the redoubtable John Lawson, who formed the M.G. Y Type Register on January 1 1978. It was he helped by many correspondents across the world who in 1988, published the seminal book Y Type Saloons and Tourers, which at the time of publication recorded over 1000 Y Types known to exist.

Since then John has worked with the MGCC Y Type Register in developing both the awareness of the model and the numbers in existence. We all have a debt to John and those early pioneers for helping to ensure that the Y type has the world wide interest that it now does. This awareness has undoubtedly been helped by the growth of the world wide web.

The other individual who had an important role to play in helping to market new spares was of course the late Harry Crutchley who founded the MG Octagon Club in 1969. He had a fight on his hands when he formed the club with the MGCC but now both parties co-exist alongside one another.

This surely must be the case with both websites that now promote the Y Type. The more information, the more knowledge the better. As I mentioned earlier politics always has a hand in all walks of life and this will always be the case.

Why do folks get so heated about matters when in reality this is just a hobby and there are far more important issues to get aggrieved about - for example the poor dying souls in the Horn of Africa?

Some of us will choose to differ on matters Y and so be it. Just get out there and enjoy them before we can't run them due to lack of fuel and lawmakers!

Sincerely

Jerry
J P BIRKBECK

Jerry
I looked at the Registrar's Report for 2011 AGM (http://www.mgccyregister.com/content/Registrars%20Report%202010/Register_report_2011.pdf) and see that the MGCC Y Register has details of 1801 cars. Perhaps you know something about maths that escapes me but isn’t 3128 bigger that 1801?

Also as a well travelled ex-pat I can confirm to you senstitive native UK people that "sod off" in Australian English merely means the equivalent of "get lost" and is therefore far less offensive than an unknowing translation would render it.

CG


Corry Grainger

It is often said that the first casualty in war is the truth. Although perhaps what follows may be interpreted by some as perpetuating the MG Car Club Y Type Register versus the International MG Y Type Register war, I certainly do not intend that to be the case. However there are now, after a suitable cooling off period and opportunity for an unequivocal apology to have been issued for the initial poor judgment none has been forthcoming. To merely say “that was not what I intended” falls somewhat short of an apology and is simply an excuse for what was poor judgment.

This is not simply a question of a thread going off topic when in the first reply someone attempts to completely divert attention away from the intended purpose to another alternate site and also attempting to provide a link and instructions for what people need to do to achieve a diverted action. To deliberately subvert in this way is to hijack … just as much as happens when a plane and its passengers are subverted to an alternate destination or purpose.

Since the response to Tony Slattery’s original request was posted I have been trying to obtain something in the form of an apology from Jerry Birkbeck for posting something that deliberately tried to divert from the original author’s posting. It is accepted that freedom of speech is a liberty we all enjoy: however, with all liberties comes a responsibility to exercise that liberty in an appropriate manner. I, for one, was very surprised that this liberty was taken in this way and therefore have been attempting to resolve it. To my view a personal apology should still be made for the attempted diversion and hijacking of the original thread.

Instead of simply retracting and apologizing, the follow up post went on to make some claims that are simply incorrect and untrue about what transpired when I left the MG Car Club and thereby was asked to leave the MG Car Club Y Type Register.

To correct some of the misstatements that were made I will again clarify the following:

1) Any funding that www.mgytypes.org received at any time from the MG Car Club Y Type Register was either miniscule in comparison to the amount of money I was personally putting into developing and providing content at that time, or was for software (that was licensed and offered to the MG Car Club Y Type Register) when they decided to gift me the continuation of the use of the domain name www.mgytypes.org. I would like to make this quite clear.
2) It may be said that I chose to leave the MG Car Club, however, as has been previously gone into in depth on another thread, I was effectively left with the choice of compromise my principles and cease to petition for effective disclosure as to a full accounting of how (on an activity based system of accounting) member subscriptions were supporting the Racing fraternity of the MG Car Club or not, … or leave. Not much of a choice, and so I left as I no longer considered the Club to be run for the members and BY the members.
3) It is without dispute that now there are two sites for Y Type owners to enjoy and choose between and this is a good thing – whatever one person may think of one site the other. That is what personal choice is all about. Personal choice though does not extend to trying to divert registrations in the way that was done. While on the subject of relative Register sizes the IMGYTR does indeed have 3,128 cars on it, almost double the nearest other Register.
4) Yes Jerry, I totally agree that this is indeed a hobby and moreover a source of joy to everyone, however having asked you privately to offer an on-line apology to Tony, and then perhaps Tony may feel inclined to apologize in return and we can all get back to being happy Y owners, you have singularly chosen to ignore my request. Accordingly now I will invite you publicly to offer an olive branch to Tony.
As they say Jerry, the ball is in your court and the reply can only be up to you to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion that we can all move forward together.
Paul R Barrow

In the words of Elton John, “Sorry seems to be the hardest word!”

This may be why Mr Birkbeck is having such a difficult time saying it.

F Inman

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