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MG ZR ZS ZT Technical - Best Competitive Products
| If you were not able to have a ZR/ZS/ZT ,what would you consider as the best alternative products? |
| Tony |
| An MGF........there are lots of cheap low mileage ones around. Martin 4MGF |
| Martin Woods |
| er... Martin I think he meant a sporty type saloon car!! BTW there are no alternatives, thats why we are on this forum!! K |
| Kelvin |
| If I couldn't have my ZS I'd have a ......................er..............................diferent ZS. As Kelvin says 'what alternative'. |
| JLD |
| Agree value for money ZS wins, but if money not so important then Focus RS, Civic Type R god forbid Mega reads this, or perhaps a scoob at a push don't really like new shape. |
| LMGZS180 |
| >Civic Type R Read the bit on the Lotus BBS, I think EVO mag have given this car a BIG thumbs down!! Mega plague the Lotus Elise forum too! Kelvin |
| Kelvin |
| So, many of you think there is no real competition-what a wonderful state for a manufacturer to be in !! (perhaps he should exploit it better) My suggestions are: For ZR,the Alfa 147 or high powered Clio/206 For ZS,a BMW 318 or 325 but considerably more expensive For ZT,the X type Jags again costing somewhat more |
| alex |
| Forget about the type R as an alternative apparently you would be better off with an Astra Turbo Coupe... "The problem with the Honda is that you have to keep it on the cam all the time. This is easy on a race track, but differcult on the not so open road. Vauxhalls turbo lump will give you power/toque at 2000 rpm, its must easyer to use." or how about: "I think you you will find a world of differance Chris. One of my clients test drove a Type "R" Honda and a Vauxhall Coupe Turbo. On paper they are close in performance. In real life the Vauxhall was much better to drive fast in the real world. Forced induction rules!" Found in the F archives, any guesses who the author is? (Tip the spelling might give it away) |
| John Manson |
| I'd have to consider the Skoda Octavia RS.... |
| David |
| >If you were not able to have a >ZR/ZS/ZT ,what would you consider as the >best alternative products? ZR - Metro turbo ZS - Maestro turbo ZT - Montego turbo Martin ;-) |
| Martin Woods |
| Martin, That's what you call customer fidelity MGR would love to have thousands of other clients like you |
| tony |
| ZR 105 - Saxo VTR/VTS Peugeot 106 GTi ZR 160 - Clio172, Peugeot 205 GTi-180 ZS 120 - Golf GTI and its VAG clones ZS 180 - Honda Civic Type R, Golf R32, Peugeot 306 GTi-6 (when are they going to replace this car???) ZT 160 - BMW 318 or 320, base C- class, Jaguar 2.0 FWD, Lexus IS200 ZT 190 - BMW 325, Merc C class, Jaguar 2.5/3.0 AWD, Lexus IS300 etc Yeah, there are loads of products that are competitors, but I agree, none have quite the sporting 'atitude' of the Zed range. When will someone put the 180/190 bhp 2.5 litre KV6 into a ZR? Then you'd be kicking some hot hatch bottom! AND we need those wonderful V8s in the ZT! :o) |
| Rob Bell |
| How about the SEAT Leon Cupra? |
| Ralph |
| Metro Turbo?????? Are you sure? I'd put the Leon Cupra in ZS180 territory |
| Meglomaniac |
| 1.Thanks for your comprehensive assessment Rob 2.Are those Ford V8 engines really good ? 3.What will be the competition to the ZT V8s then ? |
| Tony |
| Ralph, I've put the Seat under the VAG GTI-clones category - and I agree, it sounds to be a rather better car than the Golf. Tony, The Ford Mustang V8s that are being shoe-horned into the ZT are going to be spectacular. Two versions: 260 and 385 bhp outputs. The latter puts the car squarely into BMW M3 territory! Can't wait! :o) |
| Rob Bell |
| The BMW 6 series is due out in September at roughly similar power outputs to the MG V8s so MGR should have a six month head start in timing-and hopefully a decent price advantage as well |
| andrew |
| ZT Rivals:: Volvo S60 R - £34,000 (300 bhp, 2.5 five, 5.4 0-60) BMW M3 - £39,750 (343 bhp, 3.4 six, 4.8) Audi S3 - £36,000 (344 bhp, 4.2 eight, 5.4) Merc C32 AMG - £43,790 (349 bhp, 3.2 six, 4.6) Jag X 3.0 S - £25,700 (231 bhp, 3.0 six, 7.0) Alfa 156 GTA - £26,800 (250 bhp, 3.2 six, 6.5) For my money if the 260 comes in at £30,000 and still retains some good looks, and performance to match, I'll have one on my drive... --Andy |
| Andy |
| And the MG ZT V8's:: MG ZT260 - ~£30,000 (260 bhp, 4.6 eight, ~6.0) MG ZT360 - ~£36,000 (360 Ps, 4.6 eight, <5.0) Any comments? Has anyone noticed that AutoCar now says May 2003 not April '03, they keep on slipping... --Andy |
| Andy |
| I suspect it is slipping 'cause Rover have spotted that the market for cars with big engines is being stuffed by the new company car tax. How many people with £30k of theirs or their company's money is going to get a 4.6 litre car? The turbo 1.8 k in the 75 / ZT is a better indication of the market development. Cheers Patrick |
| Patrick Beet |
| Oh Patrick ! If that is true,then MGR have very little to offer until the new 45 arrives and I would not bet on their being able to survive that long-as deliberated in the Guardian thread(,which presumably did not yet have the benefit your opinion.) |
| alex |
| Sorry Alex, I just don't see how selling a very few 75s with a Ford Mustang 4.6litre V8 is going to anything other than distract MGR from running a car business. While you can argue that the US and some overseas markets would like it, MGR sell either no cars or few cars in these markets. They need to have a solid UK base and I don't see how this car helps and judging by the very slow progress on launch suspect MGR do not either. Cheers Patrick |
| Patrick Beet |
| patrick, Agree with you that running the basic business is the overwhelming priority & this means using all available engines in the existing models eg the 160 hp turbo & new diesel in the ZS However the firm also needs to maintain presence/image by launching the occasional new model and the V8s may be the only things available.Also,I feel that the 260HP car ,in both Rover and MG versions could well sell two or three thousand units in Europe- which is not negligible in terms of revenue & profit. |
| alex |
| Patrick WROTE: >>The turbo 1.8 k in the 75 / ZT is a better indication of the market development.<< and ... Alex WROTE: >> 1) Agree with you that running the basic business is the overwhelming priority & this means using all available engines in the existing models eg the 160 hp turbo & new diesel in the ZS. 2) If that is true,then MGR have very little to offer until the new 45 arrives << I've promised myself and better half a ZS and only reason we dont already have one is the better prospect of a turbo 1.8 version. I hope we're not holding out in vain. However, if the replacement new R45 has a turbo 'ZS' version, we may have to wait that bit longer. Meantime, we'll just have to creep about in our Montego and Maestro turbos .... :O) |
| John McFeely |
| I am like you John,waiting for the a more powerful 4 cylinder ZS but, living in France ,am not allowed to "chip" the existing 120 HP engine to get some extra power;the diesel would be even better for eventual re-sale on the French market.However ,bearing in mind the inevitable delays & post launch problems of new models,I don't think I can wait for the new 45 to be launched & proved reliable-perhaps in 2005 ? |
| andrew |
This thread was discussed between 12/11/2002 and 22/11/2002
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