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Just got stopped doing 120mph on the A1 at Peterborough in my ZS180, and I was slowing down. Never mind at least my ban won't be for another 2-3 months.
Jeff
Jeff Patterson

You are a person that is filth. I will kill you if near me and the family relative that I have living closeby in my personable community you are speeding. You have a little boy penis that the paedophile will like to be touching. You speed in the attempt to make the woman in the private part want you.

I think you never get woman in the private part. I hit man such as you with assorted pieces of brocken furniture that is lying by the A45 road near to where the M45 is joining. There is also a fox that has for 23 days died.

You are homosexual in the speeding. I will have shoots.
Yoram Shevach

????????????????? Pratt
Jeff Patterson

Jeff

Who? You for doing 120mph on public roads or our old friend Yoram for his insane rantings - personally I am not quite sure which is the worse!
Ted Newman

Never mind Jeff
but was it a car that knabbed you or a horrid little camera?

Neil

Neil
A police volvo estate
Jeff Patterson

I have always thought of MG as a gentleman's brand of motorcar. I am rather horrified to see the content of this thread. We don't need comments from people bragging about their dangerous speeding exploits OR distateful references to sex and violence. Come on guys, keep it decent, please...
Mark Tippins

Well I have had MGs all my life and am proud to be working class. There is no wonder that the MG brand is struggling with comments the likes of that, mr tippins!!!
Some of us have actually got a life and do not stand in muddy fields looking at each others chrome wire wheels from below a cap!
Bob (robert)

Jeff
What actual evidence have they got, video?
Im not proud of the fact that I got a 28 day ban and £150 fine for doing 113mph on a 60mph three lane local bypass in my MGB. I went to court and pleaded guilty to speeding but not to the alleged speed. A very scary experience.

I was expecting a 3month ban and £500 fine.
You might be lucky.
Mark

Hi Bob. Maybe gentleman was the wrong word to use, but I meant it in the context of behaviour, not classes. I too am proudly working class, but I do not feel that poor behaviour and working class go hand in hand. I don't own a muddy field, chrome wire wheels or a cap! I just feel this site shouldn't deteriorate into one which encourages bragging about speeding exploits, or sexually explicit language, that's all...
Mark Tippins

Mark

One of the nice things about this site - compared to many others - is its lack of 'censors' or as 'The Other' sites like to call them 'moderators' so that, within reason, we can express ourselves without the fear of our postings disappearing into the ether - long live free speech!

Ted

PS I too do not like the use of such silly and, to some, offencive expletives etc either.
Ted Newman

Ted

Fair comment. I am definitely with you on the principle of free speech, and my main issue was with the way Mr Shevach communicated his thoughts, not his sentiment as such. I just feel that such rantings mar the enjoyment of this site, which is usually a model example of a very useful forum, a far cry from other sites that quickly deteriorate into bragging and slanging matches.

I had no major gripe with Jeff, other than if I had only criticised Mr Shevach, it might have been construed as support for Jeff's high speed antics.

Mark
Mark Tippins

All
There were not many other cars were on the road, I was not endangering anyone else, well except a GTi Golf that couldn't keep up, but still we both got pulled up.
Mark (UK) Evidence. Police said that I was timed from certain spots on the road, they had a video in the car but wouldn't let me see it. Only a month ban eh! Still will it be worth it in the end?, don't know, but if they had a camera facing me they would have seen the very large smile on my face as the GTi got left behind and the V6 was growling at me to keep going.
Mark South Africa.
A ZS180 gentlemans car?? you must have the wrong car my friend.


Jeff Patterson

Jeff.

Fair enough. I guess I see too many (usually BMW) drivers doing insane speeds in totally unsafe conditions in South Africa. I could show you photographs of accidents that would make your skin crawl. We have one of the worst accident rates in the world despite good wide roads. I must say I was impressed with the standard of driving in the UK.

The ZS is a bit of a beastie! Not really playing fair against a GTi is it?
Mark Tippins

Mark,
It wasn't the BMW drivers that scared me last year in South Africa, it was the bakkies with their bull-bars on that were right up my boot in a Toyota Taz (a hire car I hasten to add) 1300cc at the altitude in Gauteng doesn't allow much room for the power to gain some space? Gutted, having to trawl along at speeds that even a non-turbo diesel engined bakkie could outpace!

Now if the press think MG Rover's products are outdated they should go to South Africa and look at the Toyota Taz, and the VW Golf Chico (Citigolf or whatever it's called now) Ok I am being unfair, these are the budget end of the spectrum (a new Mk1 Golf for £4k, anybody?) By the way, a UK company is importing the mk1 CitiGolf and Caddy to add to its line of new vintage Brazilian Beetles and Microbuses.

Ted, what's wrong with moderation, my doctor keeps advising it!

Martin
Martin ZT

MartinZT,

You are right about the lack of following distance - you can recognise a South African driver by the fact that the gap between his foot and the brake pedal is larger than the gap between his front bumper and the car he is following...

Those outdated Toyota and VW products sell really well out here, as they sell for quite a bit less than their modern counterparts. They have been "freshened" over the years to retain their appeal.

Personally I don't mind old fashioned, my ZT160 has a bit of old fashioned charm, and my wife's ZR120 is very old fashioned, but still enourmous fun to drive.

Moderation is great, as long as you get enough of it...

Mark.
Mark Tippins

Have a look at http://speed-trap.co.uk/Home there is interesting content involving the police use of video evidence in relation to speed enforcement and prosecution. At worst you may delay a ban at best the police evidence could be inadmissible in Court. I speak as an ex police officer and current defence solicitor specialising in Criminal and Road traffic work.

I will Email Jeff directly if he wants to discuss anything further!
Rob

Jeff

When I was a small boy my dad used to have all sorts of cars capable of 120mhp plus. he used them to the full ('country' roads were derestricted then).

It was fantastic, except for the drum brakes...(!)

Anthony
Anthony

I use the A1 everyday past Peterborough, so I'm glad you got stopped and will be off this part of the road for a while - one less arrogant selfish cretin on the road must be good. As Ted said - Pratt. How dumb can you be not to be able to spot a police Volvo anyway. Presumably you weren't aware of the unmarked cars that patrol this section from Buckden to Wansford either.
Clare

Clare
Ooooo touchy, i'm not dumb just in the need for speed, you i suppose have never in your life gone over 65mph then. as the sun says rover drivers top speed is 19mph it must be you
Anthony
My dad took the shell off a sit up and beg ford popular and strapped lumps of wood to the pedals so we as children could drive.
Jeff Patterson

Thats the problems then Jeff you forgot to take the block of wood off. You could try to explain this to the beak!!!
Bob (robert)

I have frequently exceeded 100 mph on UK Roads. All perfectly legally. We were not always a Namby-pamby Spineless Nation. We were also proud of our Industries and their products back in those far away days in the former green and pleasant. Then, just as a temporary experiment, that overall 70 mph speed limit was inroducted on a trial six month basis .... that was in 1966!

In recent years, some statistic vendors will tell you, quite accurately, that far fewer pedstrians and cyclists are killed on our roads now than in previous years.

I too have a statistic, based on the most accurate evidence available to me, that of my own ears and eyes.

The pedestrian is almost extinct ... they are all in their vehicles ... and a cyclist is a relatively rare sight too now.

So, no pedestrains and very few cyclists to kill on our roads.

Now, there's a thing.

Even if the 'Namby-pambys' decided an even LOWER overall speed limit was to become law, our roads would NOT be safer than they were back in the 1960s when those black on white diagonal diagonal derestricted speed limit signs meant just that.

Far bigger dangers now exist to my continued well being in the shape of 40+ Tonne Trucks sitting a metre from my boot lid, drivers permanently on their bleedin' phones, Four-Wheel-Drive vehicles which appear now in 'Monster Truck' proportions.

Bad drivers and bad driving should be accurately targetted. It does not necessasarily follow that all drivers who exceed the speed limit are 'bad' drivers. Conversely, those drivers that NEVER exceed speed limits may be 'Bad' drivers.

As an ever increasing and massively larger percentage of vehicles on our roads are now chasing money, it's probably a matter of time before one gets you in that pursuit. Far too many distractions, stresses and pressures now are part of the 24/7 driving experiences on UK roads, not to mention how many folks get 'totalled' or seriously harmed as a direct result of deliberate road rage violence.

I have NOT gleaned this from some statistical report or media presentation, again my evidence is the finest available. In addition to media evidence, my evidence is gleaned from those observations which are directly from my own personal experiences as I go about my way.

I live in the hope that Bad Driving and Speeding will become two very separately addressed issues by those who sincerely believe they have 'our' best interests at heart. They need to be addressed and soon. Those with our interests in mind are a priviledged bunch we all pay handsomely for by the way - those hordes of folk who look after our interests. Do they do a good job. Sadly, their efforts are never guaranteed to provide good effect or even value.

Keep 'em peeled. More Laws are simply not enough.
MGJohn

Jeff,

Ten years ago, the previous owner of my TomCat Turbo was clocked on a deserted M3 @ 133 mph. The Police were quite impressed by those figures apparently! The guy had a huge fine and six month ban for something which was quite legal on our roads prior to 1966.

Funny old game progress.

By the way, the old Rover is still quite nippy.

As always: Keep 'em peeled.
MGJohn

Clare

I did not say Jeff was a pratt - I asked him if he had called himself that:-)

MGJohn

Cyclists are not so rare - it is just that most car drivers don't see us - or at least that is what they tell the courts when they are charged for killing one!
Ted Newman

Ted,

I too am a cyclist.... 'we' are rare compared to the numbers I remember seeing in the 1950s and 1960s. Extremely rare in fact..

One of the most common reasons given on Insurance "Accident" Reports forms is:

"I didn't see the other vehicle" ... which is excuse-speak for "I did not take proper observation...."

... and back then you could lean your bike unlocked against the wall anywhere in town and it would still be there a week, even a month later.

Nowadays in this former green and pleasant, I would not lay odds on it being there in five minutes time!

Such is progress.
MGJohn

Ted
Get a life
Jeff Patterson

Yoram instantly reminded me of Mahir of "I KISS YOU!!!" internet fame! (Worst web page in the world circa 1999) http://www.istanbul.tc/mahir/mahir/
and now www.ikissyou.org/ if you're interested...

It's funny how these type of threads always follow the same course over and over again. There's always the morally indignant person of course á la Mrs Lovejoy from The Simpsons ("won't somebody think of the children").

What I especially like though is how there's always someone who wants to kill the speeder because of the *potential* the speeder had to have possibly killed someone while driving at over the legal speed limit. Logically, it would follow that he'd be fine with it if he had actually killed someone, as long as he was driving *under* the speed limit at the time.
IrishRover

Looks like Yoram has crawled back under his stone.
Barry West

<Ted
Get a life >

Jeff - what brought that on? Guilt complex?

Come on lad grow up - if you want to boast about breaking the law, especially to that extent, then you must expect to get the odd flame - and there are not many odder than me!
Ted Newman

This man is a muslim. I have shot such a man in Golan. In many time in Golan, the homosexual syria person would be behind the jeep in we travel. Shooting from the jeep if the man from syria catch will rape right your ass from his penis and he will kill you.

This is which we were told in Golan when we were young man in army. I believe this now I am more aware of muslims and the dirty way of the muslim.
Yoram Shevach

Yoram: And what does this have to do with MG's?
Mister T

120mph on the A1 "and I was slowing down"... oh, really. I'm not interested in the size of your equipment or the libertarian issue of whether bad driving is different from speeding. If the author of this thread did what he claims, he deserves a long ban and a big fine.

I've been an IAM member for cars and bikes for over 20 years, I'm perfectly capable of making what the police manual calls "satisfactory progress" on many types of road. Doing 120mph on public roads is just idiotic, and I hope the judicial process agrees. Keep us posted!
Tim Griggs

You near me speed and my family. I break your face. This is a simple thing for understand. I have friend he find where you live.
Yoram Shevach

Go back to sleep Yoram!
Mister T

So, have I got this right Jeff? When you say, 'Ted - get a life,' what you mean is, 'Ted - be a tosser like me.'
Woody

Jeff, I recommend one or both of the following:

1. Drive across Germany, keeping to the quieter Autobahns, sporting the biggest GB sticker you can find.
2. MGs-on-track events, particularly those at the bigger circuits (Silverstone, Donington etc).

Either or ideally both of these will subliminally reform you.
(1) does this by reminding us that no matter how fast our car is, there is sure to be something quicker. And sooner or later you'll have a near-death experience with an HGV going maybe 80 or 90 mph slower than you. The 911 you were duelling with spotted the impending situation long before you & backed off leaving you to your red mist & early grave.
(2) does it by introducing the concept of trying to change direction at major speeds. Fantastic fun when perfectly executed, but when you put in 1 degree too much steering or have 1mph too much speed...

It took me a few yellow slips & crippling insurance premiums to learn this lesson, but I am now the proud owner of a clean licence. More importantly, I now get my need-for-speed kicks in environments where animals, children, pedestrians, HGVs, big potholes, tramlines, standing water, oily patches, sharp objects that will deflate a tyre in a nanosecond, and innumerable other typical fast A-road hazards are absent. Instead I have wide glassy-smooth tarmac, run-off areas, gravel traps and nice soft tyre walls in all directions. And the only cars with lights on top are pace cars. Now THAT is where you should be doing 120, and possibly more ;-) And THAT is where you'll have the opportunity to prove yourself against another ZS driver - duels with any other car are largely pointless, would you not agree?

Lets hope you don't get the same magistrate that handed me down a 6 month ban. That was about 15 years ago though, and he was no youngster then. Good luck, and hopefully see you on a track day sometime.
Mike Hankin

Hi Mike
Can't afford to get my car damaged as its for work. I drive over 50,000 a year (at the moment) and I would lose too much money.
Would possibly like to put my Monty Turbo on track, just to see if the handling is as bad on the track as it is when full turbo going round corners. Good fun though(sorry not politically correct)
Jeff Patterson

Well, I drive around 40,000 miles a year in my ZS180 and I take it on track. I've laready done 3 trackdays this year and I've booked another 3 (so far).

Trackdays are relative safe, provided that both you and the other drivers behave sensibly. If you want to join other MG enthusiasts on track why not visit http://www.mgs-on-track.com/

Ralph
Ralph

Well,I think that 120 mph is a ittle excesive but it's not as fast as a PC " testing" his driving skills and the car's performance one night!
Guy

Woody
Your not even a member so nobody asked for your opinion.
Jeff Patterson

Yep. Thought I was right about you Jeff.
Woody

HI Jeff,

Bravo Jeff. The A1 near Peterborough is 4 lanes wide at one point. I don't advocate speeding in 30mph zones. But to me there ain't nothing wrong on a road with 4 wide lanes!

I totally disagree with the speeding policies. From my own personal experiences and police research. Speed doesn't cause accidents, poor technical ability does. High speed crashes do cause death though. But 2 cars colliding at 60mph generally means death let alone speeds above that.

However, it seems that many drivers who speed, drive dangerously (tailgating, poor/no indication, overtaking on crossroads and junctions, undertaking, causing on comning traffic to veer while overtaking etc etc) aswell. The two don't mix.

I doubt Jeff was doing this. I suspect he was accelerating hard in the overtaking lane on the motorway while a golf driver persued him. no doubt with plenty of room between them and other vehicles.

"red routes" should be patrolled reguarly where roads with few accidents should be left alone (above 60mph that is) Why are coppers always chasing people in wide open straight clear roads but ignoring the nutters on the dodgy B roads???
Robert Purser

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