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MG MGF Technical - Auto-raising of windows with superlocking...

After chatting to Bob regarding the one-shot window operation mod, and getting the windows to automatically close with superlocking, I thought I'd look up the wiring diagrams.

I reckon a very simple circuit using a MY2000 window lift ECU should do the trick, using the alarm output to the super lock motors (wire: brown/ pink tracer).

Anyone (Dieter?) know whether this wire goes to ground or live when the superlocking is activated?

If it goes to ground, this would be a very simple circuit to sort out... :o)
Rob Bell

If it goes +ve then you could do the same job using a diode and a relay (diode required so you don't trigger when unlocking)
Will Munns

:o) Exactly Will!
Rob Bell

Sounds cool Rob, Dieter had something similar a while ago on his (first IIRC) MGF. He also took a power feed from the MEMS so that there was a time delay on the window circuit - you could operate them for a short time after the key had been removed.

SF
Scarlet Fever

I like these ideas ;o)

Rob, does the one shot operate both windows and both ways ?
Fabrice

>Rob, does the one shot operate both windows and both ways ?
Nope, only one window in one way, but four units...
Will Munns

I was checking out the wires last night to perform Carl's power-delay mod Andy :o)

Hey, and you're right: one would need that power delay feed to ensure that the windows did close as required, unless you take a permanently live feed - thanks for that! :o)

As an aside, I was comparing the Mk1 and MY2000 wiring diagrams last night, with respect to the delayed power-down. This function is performed by the multifunction unit.
Essentially the power feeds to all the switches/ window lift relay etc are permanently live. What the MFU does is to break the earth from the window lift relay coil following a delay after switching off the ignition.

The MY2000 MFU could be installed into a Mk1, and made to work, but the solution is a lot less elegant than Carl's original suggestion - and considerably more work too!
Rob Bell

Fabrice, as Will says, the one-shot only works in one direction :o(

Probably designed this way, because as far as I know, there is no 'sensor' in the circuit to detect obstruction. Therefore, this function has been omitted for safety's sake (avoids unfortunate decapitation... ;o))

To have one-shot on both windows, and auto shut on superlock (which is a more deliberate act than single-shot up on the window switch), you'd need three window lift relays - which at present, are fairly cheap from the MGF Centre. And will likely remain cheap until a lot of people start buying them, and then suddenly the price will get a hike as demand out strips supply! ROFL
Rob Bell

I found an aftermarket module that would do the whole trick : one-touch up & down, both windows, obstruction detection and auto up when superlocking.

http://www.drdetailshop.com/530T.htm
http://www.autopreservers.com/security/acc/530t.htm
maybe I could ask for the 10% rebate, since I was student at OSU in 95 ;oP
Fabrice

Good value modules there Fabrice :o)

The $69 module looks difficult to beat, as the set up I'm proposing would currently cost 30 quid, and not include one-stop window-up mode on the switch.

Are you going to go for it?
Rob Bell

Hi Fabrice,

Do you know if this (auto preservers) electronics is compatible with the standard alarm/immobiliser?

N Hillier

I don't know yet if it's compatible... I'll try to know, but I'm not expert in car electronics :-(
I am very interested in this route, I'll try to buy one from the US (it costs 150 EUR in Germany...)
Fabrice

Great.. let us know.
N Hillier

Hi, all I know about the former installation to the *died* BRG ..... sniff

is at http://www.mgfcar.de/one_shot_windows/index.htm
BENXON slosed down manufacturing (I think EC mark related)
*apology in advance for the dead links*

There was the alarm out put wire, can't remeber whether super lock had a different.
Verify whether pulled to ground or switched to *life* and please look up at the wirimg diagram site.

There's a DIY circiut on site as well.
I still keep the dismantled BENXON to get it in the PTS car, but I know it will result again in the mad *missing switch illumination @ night* with it. This was cause the MGF switches are just the wrong common wiring inside (minus instead of plus)

>Do you know if this (auto preservers) electronics is compatible with the standard alarm/immobiliser?

The universal made products almost have an optional input that could be used with ground or plus.

Dieter


Dieter K.

Hi Dieter,

orange and brown/pink wires from alarm ecu are lock and superlock (to door lock assys)
Did you use the first one as alarm output to your Benxon module ?

I even found the 530T at 50 $ : http://www.audiooutfitter.com/cgi-bin/store/530T.html

Fabrice

>Verify whether pulled to ground or switched to *life*
>and please look up at the wirimg diagram site.

No help there, the motors do not go to ground, they return to the ECU, remember you have to reverse the polarity to unlock the doors!
Will Munns

The only way to know whether the purple/pink wire goes live or to ground is to use a multimeter on the wire (and to ground) and see what happens when the superlock is operated...

A bit of a faff, but it would be useful to know Fabrice. :o)
Rob Bell

Fabrice, The Hornet system looks promising.. I managed to dig this up

"Directed Electronics one touch power window module interfaces with most power window systems (including all Electric Life systems) to allow automatic control of 2 windows. By quickly pressing window switch and releasing, the window will automatically travel all the way up or down and stop. Unit has built in safety stop to prevent broken bones. By holding button longer than .5 seconds the window switches work manually. This unit can be interfaced with many alarm systems. This unit will not work with some German cars that have negative window motor switches."

Do we have "negative window motor switches".

I'm quite up for buying one of these, if anyone out there can help me if/when I get stuck?

N Hillier

The Mk1 MGF has 'live' window switches.

The MY2000 uses switches that send the line to earth.

Not sure what the term 'negative window switches' means - but I suspect that means switches that earth the line - so if that is the case, Mk1 MGFs should be compatible with your Hornet system...
Rob Bell

I must confess that this modification is something that I would like to do BUT I think I will let someone else blow their electronics first - or hopefully not!

I would be able to 'show off' in Sainsburys car park in Islington where all these posh cars with lots of toys are parked on a Friday evening:-)

Ted
Ted Newman

Okay, time to take a deep-breath and become Mr Guinea pig!

I have just ordered the Hornet 530T - well found Fabrice.., I have read up some articles on it and it seems pretty good.
Auto-up, Auto-down, and the breather.. leaving that gap (great for putting the roof up!).

Next job, once recieved will be to suss out the wiring, then I'll re-post and let y'all know.
N Hillier

Hey, great !
You beat me on it. I'll order it too, I'm waiting for a quote on shipping...
BTW, where did you ordered yours from ?
If other Fers from Belgium want to get one too, I can order more than one at a time... Erik ? David ? ...

About the "negative window switches", I read that the new version of the 530T module now accomodates with these ground switches, and that there are also new microswitches to adjust the obstruction detection function.
Fabrice

Nice one guys :o) If you take any pix, can I have some copies for the web site? :o)
Rob Bell

Ordered mine from the site you said.. I have e-mailed them to ask for postage costs - as the site (audiooutfitter) when I ordered it said there weren't any!?? - can't believe that one!

anyway.. - I'll be relying on you to help me out with wiring problems and vice-versa eh? ;-)

E-mail me your e-mail address if you like and I will let you know when I start a new post for it.
N Hillier

Fabrice,
I'm in... just let me know the details.
Merci beaucoup,
Erik

Hi,

All of this stuff seems to be made/sold trough
directed electronics. www.directed.com.

They also made clifford alarms.
This link may be of interest, it is a set of instructions for the installation of smartwindows
for a clifford alarm. Does the same thing as the
530T.

http://www.directed.com/guides/manuals/ig/clifford/smartwindows4_install.pdf

Cheers

Paul;
Paul Waine

Also available from ebay.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3027765102&category=14934

Paul;
Paul Waine

Paul,
the "smart windows 4" looks a bit more complicated thanthe 530T because it's programmable, bur regarding the wires installation, it looks quite easy...
We just have to know the wich wire to use for the alarm signal.

N, (?)
remove "_NOSPAM" from my email address.
I've emailed Audiooutfitters this morning, but didn't get a response so far... strange that shipping is free for you ? Cause online ordering is only available to US and Canadian customers, and P&P is then 7.8 USD

Erik,
I'll let you know the details B4 ordering.

Cheers,

Fabrice
Fabrice

That's what I questioned..

Order the goods, put in UK, and no postage costs came out.., so I ordered it without paying postage - You're right though Fabrice, there will be some, so I have e-mailed them for the good news. Guess they'll wake up in a few hours..

Oh well, guess we better sit back and enjoy our nice working fuseboxes until it all gets here....



N Hillier

denied!

www.audiooutfitter.com has decided not to sell abroad.. next idea Fabrice??!
N Hillier

If you just want the windows to close with the
superlocking and not the one touch feature.
There is a solution closer to home.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=030606094332283&moduleno=25630&modulecode=

Cheers

Paul
Paul Waine

there's another place where they would sell abroad.
I got this reponse from them yesterday :
"Cost for shipping to Belgium is $30 by FEDEX.
Place your order: http://www.autotechs.com/items/item70.htm "

Fabrice

Erik,
I ordered 3 items today (one for me, one for you and one for a another friend) from http://www.autotechs.com .
I'll let you know when they arrive...
and then, cut wires and fit the thing ;o)
Fabrice
Fabrice

Good work Fabrice - keep us posted! :o)
Rob Bell

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