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MG TD TF 1500 - MG TD Door striker plate mounting

I have interference locating the door striker plate and am looking for the the correct alignment.

Should the bracket be flush with the forward edge or does the rearward plate edge go above or under the folded body panel edge?

Also, what size and thread are the two screws that go into the captured nuts? (unfortunately the t-nuts holes were not drilled prior to the skin being applied so there is not much to guide the locating.)

Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
Brent in Big D.



Brent Herling

Brent can you email me at pjbm (at) bigpond (dot) com? Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I know of no good way to determine where the T nuts were placed and to accurately back drill the hole or even what T nut what used. You will likely need to pull the front quarter panels and scuttle if still soldered together. Then pull the T nuts to accurately drill the hole through the A pillar. You can then determine the thread count. Originally they were 2 BA. ut they may have been changed to a modern thread. Ideally you would derive the correct position based of your old timbers to rectify the issue. If the A pillar hasn’t been drilled through, I doubt the T nuts were ever installed in your replacement timbers. New timbers don’t have the nuts preinstalled. Their correct location require several milling steps and the timbers should have been predrilled for the T nuts. They must be drill through to accept the screw and countersunk to the correct depth to accommodate the T nut’s placement. Note that the T nut does not set flush upon the timber. As far as what thread your T nuts are? It’s anyone’s guess until you physically remove the T nuts to verify what you have. The plate is meant to have a minimal amount of adjustability. It could overlap the quarter panel flange. The fit isn’t necessarily flush.

I’m curious where you sourced your timbers as I have found multiple errors and a lack of production consistency especially from a particular supplier. I found 17 individual milling errors on a single A pillar from one source. Neither side were milled correctly or consistently. The pieces were rejected and returned to the supplier.

Bill Chasser
TD/c-8151
W A Chasser

Bill I was faced with the same problem and solved it with modified strikers plates, introducing an additional backing plate with captive nuts at the lock using threaded inserts, eliminating the wood screws entirely; and providing additional points of adjustment at both striker (6 in total) and lock (8 in total). It can be done and the result is indistinguishable from the original factory setup permitting minor adjustment due to settlement and wear over time. No need to remove any exterior cladding. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Peter. Good to know. I don’t think I’ve seen that as a resolution before
W A Chasser

Bill, Other than one main rail I bought from moss, all the new timbers came with with car and were likely purchased 10-25 years ago. Some were already installed unfortunately with missing t-nets and not pre-drilled in this case.

Some of my wood door pieces appear to be a bit oversized as well as the top of the door hinge pillar.
Brent Herling

Peter,
I like your striker concept. Do you have any photos of your solution?
Jim TD17744
JV Smith

Jim I've written an extensive illustrated article on the subject of fitting doors and locks. Can you email me at pjbm@bigpond.com? Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Bill R, I've sent the article that you've requested. I do hope it is of assistance. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Peter Could you send me a copy as well. I’d like to read your solution.
W A Chasser

Sure Bill. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Peter, could I please get a copy of the door procedure as well? Thanks.
JWC Currier

John you have mail.
Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Thank you, Sir!
JWC Currier

Peter, any thought to posting on Bud Krueger's TTalk (http://www.ttalk.info/index.html) website for general dessimnation? Or do you have some copyright,etc limits?
Randy
R Biallas

Hi Randy. My articles are protected by copyright as they are my personal property, so unfortunately that is not possible. I'm willing to allow an individual to profit by my research and hands on experience and to assist wherever I can, as my numerous posts on this board will attest, as long as I have a written guarantee that the article is for personal use only. I have had my work stolen and published in the past by an American M.G. magazine, without my knowledge or consent, hence my position. These works are published however in the TTORC digital mag for the benefit of the TTORC membership, on the clear understanding that both the magazine and the individual technical articles written by our members are copyright protected and may not be circulated or reproduced by any means, without the written consent of the TTORC committee and the author of the article. Sorry - but once bitten, twice shy. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Copyright?

All of the articles on Bud’s great site were produced by individuals in the interest of disseminating knowledge gained somewhere, somehow. None of them bothered to claim copyright over their research but elected to engage in the spirit of the marque we all know and love.

Image if the late Dave DuBois had withheld his knowledge from us all instead of publishing it asking NOTHING but credit when disseminated? Imagine if Doug Pelton had not shared his knowledge on his website for one and all to read and use. It costs him bucks to publish that on his website, it is not free!

Imagine if Tom Lange did not bother to assist others willingly, not asking a penny for that advice. Or for that matter Len Fanelli or Laverne Downey?

If that was the case what a horrible world we would live in.

BTW, if you get knowledge from forums and then publish it in a copyrighted platform is that the best form of flattery, or just plagiarism at it’s finest?

Your call folks!

Copyright my ass.

Goodnight, sweet dreams of keeping a secret .......
P G Gilvarry

Peter is willing to share his article to anyone who asked in this thread and sent the person an email. He didn't ask for a penny from anyone in return for it. All he asked is to respect his copywrite work.

Frank
TF1414





Frank Cronin

Peter G. Please stop sniping and harping about Peter Hehir’s right to protect his work. The feuding and fuming really needs to be put to rest. P H is perfectly within his rights to protect his work. He willingly shares his own wealth of information. Maybe he plans to publish it someday as part of the long saga of his car’s restoration. If he doesn’t protect it and someone else plagiarizes his material and claims it as their work then he has not a leg to stand on. If someone were to bootleg his work on the internet or were to reproduce it without permission and disseminate it offline, then he has lost his control. The purpose is to prevent someone else from reproducing the work for their own personal gain or profit.

By you thinking, it would follow that Tom Lange, Jim Peddicord, Len Fanelli and hundreds of others should simply give away all the parts they have produced. Or maybe Tom should openly post all pages of the daily production records “in the spirit of the marque”. It’s no different than copyrights. All involve personal time, blood, sweat, capital and effort.

I have also protected my information for the purpose of my own research. I share it with those who ask for it with stipulations. If I use someone else’s work I always credit the source when the source is known. I recently found copyrighted photos of TD/c-8151 that I had shared on one of the forums
which clearly stated “not for reproduction“. Bruce Cunha found them posted on an obscure kit car website without my permission. A kit car site of all places! He informed me knowing that the pics had been copyrighted. Not only that, but they weren’t even credited as my work but were credited to someone I didn’t even know. A message was sent to the moderator to have them removed immediately or legal action would be taken.

Look at it in another perspective. In the most simplistic terms and in a tangential comparison consider the following. You own your TF. You’ve spent untold hours making it your own. You’ve lost any and all documentation. No pictures, no insurance history and DMV has absolutely no record of your ownership. Suddenly , one day you walk out to the garage and the car is gone. At some point you find your car in someone else’s possession and he has a legal title to your car. Guess what? It’s no longer yours to claim.

Cheers
W A Chasser

As a newbie I'm reluctant to wade into anything here, but when I asked Peter H for a copy of his article, he had it in my inbox within a day and asked for nothing in return. He took the time to put it together and seems to give it freely to anyone who asks. Making sure he gets the credit for that seems a small favor in return. Just my two cents.
JWC Currier

I just received the information from Peter. Very useful. I am happy with it.
John van den Boorn

I am so very close to the end of my 13 year TF #3006 project. I lost all my disassembly photos when my hard drive failed. This forum and the other has been a wonderful source of archives AND people who have helped me tremendously in putting this TF back together. Peter has been one of those people and the fact that he sent me his door striker info, along with his request to not share it as it was copyrighted was NOT a problem for me. He wants to control the dissemination of the information and that is just fine for me. Peter, I thank you, and the many others that have helped me through my long journey of putting this little piece of my first childhood back on the road.
Best regards
Rod Murray
Rodney G Murray

Peter, can I also get a copy of the door procedure? Thank you, Thierry de l'Ardèche, South of France
t Thierry

Regrettably I'm unable to assist. I'm presently seeking legal advice in relation to both what is implied and inferred in the Gilvarry post and the remedies available to me. Until the position is clarified I'll no longer be posting on the BBS. Any requests for my own material will need to be directed to me at the email address above. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

Congratulations to Peter Hehir on his original and unique work on modifications to the striker plate and
lock together with replacement of the nuts holding the hinges etc. meaning the door can be removed without having to remove the upholstery.

I have utmost respect for your knowledge and zeal.
Many have benefited from your efforts for some time.

Rob Grantham
Rob Grantham

Good day to all,
I am a little hesitant to wade into this discussion, but I felt like I needed to support Peter. Especially in this digital age, intellectual property in an important topic. Peter has always been extremely gracious in sharing his ideas. However, the ideas are his, and deserve protection from unauthorized re-use. Thank you Peter for your contributions.

Jim
JV Smith TD17744

Hi Jim S.,

I really enjoyed reading your commnent here.
It says it all.........

Cheers
Rob Grantham
Rob Grantham

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